CCBC Minimally Affected by Illegal Immigrant Tuition Law
Less than two dozen students would qualify under the new law, according to college president.
A new law granting in-state tuition for illegal immigrants attending community colleges in Maryland won't have a dramatic effect on the Community College of Baltimore County.
Sandra Kurtinitis, CCBC president, told council members Monday night that only 20 of the college's 74,000 students could potentially qualify under the law.
Kurtinitis called the issue "challenging" but said CCBC has not broken state law and allowed illegal immigrants to pay lower rates "like our colleagues down the road."
Kurtinitis later acknowledged she was speaking about Montgomery College, which is the subject of a lawsuit. Del. Pat McDonough, who is involved in the lawsuit, said the community college system has cost taxpayers $6 million by allowing illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition rates, which he said violates state and federal laws.
"We follow the law," Kurtinitis said. "Everyone pays what they are required to pay."
Kurtinitis said the 20 illegal immigrant students enrolled at CCBC pay the international rate.
The bill, passed during this year's 90-day General Assembly session, allows illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition rates if they attended a Maryland high school for three years and can prove their parents paid taxes.
The change is expected to cost the state at least $3.5 million over the next five years, according to state estimates.
Some legislators who opposed the law, as McDonough did, said they expect the change to increase the number of illegal immigrants attending community colleges at in-state rates—which are much cheaper than those paid by out of county and out of state students.
"We do not anticipate that we will see a large growth," Kurtinitis told the council.
sharon kneebone
10:02 am on Wednesday, April 20, 2011
I cannot believe our state legislators have passed a law allowing illegal immigrants to obtain in-state tuition. Good grief....they are NOT paying income taxes into the state tax base to support this.
Brad Metheny
11:40 am on Wednesday, April 20, 2011
This has more to do with politics and politicians expanding their voter base. The truth is that this issue was allowed to get out of control and the cost to try to deport the illegals would be astronomical. I guess that the Govt is throwing in the towel and trying to ensure that they benefit at election time.Of course the Feds don't have a problem suing Az. for trying to enforce federal law.
Robert Armstrong
11:18 am on Wednesday, April 20, 2011
Didn't you even bother to read the law? Students and/or their parents have to show 3 years of income tax statements.
Buzz Beeler
1:46 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011
Why don't you post a link to the law? I have it, but I thought you could use the practice regarding research.
Tim
11:28 am on Wednesday, April 20, 2011
That's besides the point. Illegals shouldn't be here, PERIOD. I don't give a hoot how much they are paying in taxes. Fact is, they shouldn't be here to begin with. End of story.
William Lutostanski Jr
11:28 am on Wednesday, April 20, 2011
They are here illegally right?
Robert Armstrong
11:55 am on Wednesday, April 20, 2011
Maybe in a utopic world they shouldn't be here but they are and we have to deal with it. Sticking you're head in the sand isn't really an option.
Ann Miller
3:45 pm on Wednesday, April 20, 2011
Robert, rewarding them for breaking our immigration laws is sticking your head in the sand. Just because they are here and the parents of these ADULT (over 18) illegal immigrants paid 3 years of taxes in no way means we must now give them additional privileges. This law only makes Maryland even more of a magnet for illegals.
So two dozen qualify at one community college right off the starting line. How many will it attract next year, and the next?? $3.5 million in taxpayer money. Shameful.
Tim
3:58 pm on Wednesday, April 20, 2011
Exactly. Stop bending over for these lawbreakers. If you do, you are part of the problem.
Like the businesses who hire them - and the governments that don't enforce labor laws.
sharon kneebone
3:36 pm on Wednesday, September 14, 2011
I completely agree with Ann. Being married to a legal foreign national - it saddens me to think we continue to reward illegals. Ann is correct that Maryland will become even more of a magnet for illegal immigrants
Robert Armstrong
5:03 pm on Wednesday, September 14, 2011
People aren't going to flock to MD for high school and and an opportunity for instate tuition to a Community College. There aren't any jobs here.
Robert Armstrong
3:59 pm on Wednesday, April 20, 2011
A penny spent on education is a penny well spent.
Tim
5:12 pm on Wednesday, April 20, 2011
not as far as I'm concerned. You feel free to continue giving your own money to illegal residents. Don't speak for the rest of us who are sick and tired of supporting leeches. Illegals are a disease as far as I'm concerned. They provide nothing of value. All they do is degrade our society - putting citizens out of jobs, putting citizens out of resources.
Robert Armstrong
6:39 pm on Wednesday, April 20, 2011
LOL " Provide nothing of value" Their work ethic puts the lazy Americans to shame. If an "illegal" can take your job then you have to rethink where you are going in life.
Tim
12:36 am on Thursday, April 21, 2011
This is an irrelevant statement (even if true). What part of ILLEGAL do you not understand? Are you being this dense just to prove something?
Even if they didn't work harder - they work cheaper. They allow corporate greed/abuse to continue unchecked through the use of these aliens.
Huck
10:08 pm on Wednesday, April 20, 2011
Okay, I am not following this.... they are here illegally and Kurtinitis knows 20 of them are. Why has she allowed them into the college? Why hasn't she been required to report them to the authorities? Someone please explain this to me.
Roxane
3:08 am on Thursday, April 21, 2011
Who is going to ask for the "proof" from these people? Another bureaucrat??? Please, just how stupid do our legislators think we are? It has already cost Montgomery county alone over six million dollars. Become a citizen, then you can help youself to the American table.
Robert Armstrong
10:16 am on Thursday, April 21, 2011
LOL "$6 million" What an exaggeration! Is that more "McDonough Math"?
Buzz Beeler
11:34 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011
The use of LOL is getting old and very immature.
Where is your rebuttal link. You do know what that is, don't you?
I thought you were going to post a link to the Dream Act Law as it was written.
I am still waiting!
William Lutostanski Jr
11:21 am on Thursday, April 21, 2011
Im still hung up on the whole illegal thing. Oh and we know who and where they are, yet our laws are not being enforced. Then we pass a law that says , Yes we know there is a group of people in violation of the law but we would like to give them something. How does this make any sense at all? How is this even legal?
Robert Armstrong
11:26 am on Thursday, April 21, 2011
There's a law against jaywalking too. Is it ever enforced?
At worst case they committed a misdemeanor by being here. Big deal.
Buzz Beeler
11:31 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011
The big deal you reference here is costing this nation billions of dollars in entitlements to these illegals and that does not count the cost of housing a significant portion in our prisons.
William Lutostanski Jr
11:35 am on Thursday, April 21, 2011
I don't think entering a country illegally is a misdemeanor. I think that is a very serious offense. I am for legal immigration, there is a process for a reason. We should not cater to those that don't respect our laws, and all our laws should be enforced.
Robert Armstrong
11:56 am on Thursday, April 21, 2011
It is a misdemeanor if they entered illegally. What are we talking about here in regards to instate tuition? Somewhere around 100 students statewide. It's no big deal.
Buzz Beeler
1:10 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011
Not exactly! Repeat attempts at illegal entry can be a felony! Illegal entry combined with certain crimes can be a felony.
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/8/12/II/VIII/1325
FOX reported this morning that Mexican drug cartels are aggressively setting up shop in cities across the country.
This is what we don't need!
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/12/bodies-mexican-border-pits/
http://www.uncoverage.net/2011/01/more-inconvenient-fact-about-the-true-cot-of-illegal-immigration/
Robert Armstrong
2:31 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011
Of course if they commit a crime while they are here that can be a felony. Duh!
I don't believe anything Faux News broadcasts. Especially after they got caught with airing fake footage. Palm trees in Wisconsin!
Buzz Beeler
12:01 am on Friday, April 22, 2011
Robert you must learn to read the entire link and comprehend what you are reading.
(c) Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the
purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be
imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than
$250,000, or both.
A 5 year prison sentence is not a misdemeanor, nor is the $250,000 associated with it.
FOX news is NUMBER ONE!!! I'm sorry if it does not meet your approval. You don't believe anything FOX publishes, but yet you use FOX when it supports your agenda. That is commonly referred to as an OXYMORON!
Robert, I'm sure if you try real hard you can find a better adjective than "Duh!" It has a tendency to reveal your age.
Buzz Beeler
12:19 am on Friday, April 22, 2011
Robert, is the guy your talking about making the accusations. Is this the proverbial "pot calling the kettle black," analogy.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/12/weshs-response-to-story-that-stephen-colbert-skewered.html
Seems that at sometime in the course of doing business everyone makes mistakes. Remember you once said that "those who live in glass houses ..."
Robert Armstrong
2:33 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011
The border has never been safer.
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/03/napolitano-us-border-towns-with-mexico.html
Buzz Beeler
11:51 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011
Robert you should read the entire link before you post it. The link below is from the one you just posted.
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/03/poll-mexicans-think-cartels-are-winning.html
A little history lesson. In WWII Hitler signed a non-aggression pact with Stalin. We all no how that ended.
I don't get a warm fuzzy feeling that just across the border one of the murder capitals of the world exists.
Robert Armstrong
2:36 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011
Even the Sheriffs say it is safe.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/02/20100502arizona-border-violence-mexico.html
Robert Armstrong
2:53 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011
Here's the law.
"According to the Nationality Act Section 237 (a)(1)(B) illegal aliens commit a misdemeanor crime punishable by deportation. After being deported, should an illegal alien return to the United States, their crime is punishable as a felony which includes detainment for protracted periods of time."
It's a misdemeanor
Buzz Beeler
11:28 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011
I will reply to both of Robert's comments and their flaws. Robert does not excel in extracting links in his research to support his agenda.
Number one, the choice of the word Sheriffs is incorrect. The article references an interview with one law enforcement official, therefore the word "Sheriffs" is incorrect. It should read Sheriff as in singular. The date of publication was in 2010.
Here is the most recent interview with a rancher who appeared before Congress the other day.
http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=100007214&docId=l:1401465335&start=6
All is not well on the border.
As to your quote on "Here's the law," you need to read what you wrote.
"After being deported, should an illegal alien return to the United States, their crime is punishable as a felony which includes detainment ..." as per Robert's own comment. The important quote is, "their crime is punishable as a felony."
After the word "misdemeanor" there should be a period.
I will repeat it slowly for you; "PUNISHABLE AS A FELONY!!!" Misdemeanors are not usually associated with incarceration of more than one year.
You should go back to the link that I posted regarding the exact section.
Robert Armstrong
2:54 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011
So is fishing on Sunday. Like I said before no big deal.
William Lutostanski Jr
3:25 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011
Well maybe we could set up a homeless shelter on Roberts front lawn without his permission. Hey we would be helping people out, right? No big deal.
Mrs. H
6:19 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011
Really? No big deal??? Well, let's see if ppl are still saying this when word get's out that Maryland favors illegal immigration. Take a look at California. They welcome them with open arms. Their hospitals are suffering as resources are being depleted, their public schools are busting at the seems and crime continues to be a major problem. That's the not-so-distant future of Maryland (it's probably a reality right now). I live in the same neighborhood as a "club" that has turned into a haven for illegals and their gang activity. The place used to be decent, a few fights now and then between drunken patrons..."no big deal". Now, there needs to be police presence when the place lets out (costing tax payer money and takes away from other areas needing attention), there have been multiple stabbings and one robbery by a known MS-13 member. Yeah - this is what I want in my community. But keep making things easy on them and this is what you'll get. Let's roll out the welcome mat and host a Cinco de Mayo party while we're at it. WE CAN'T AFFORD THEM ANYMORE!!! They're presence here is starting to affect the legal residents (longer wait lists for Pre-K, longer ER wait times, etc) and that I cannot tolerate. Killing this bill certainly doesn't solve our problems but it will keep from opening a bigger can of worms.
Buzz Beeler
11:36 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011
Robert is very immature. Click on his name and read all of his comments and you can judge for yourself.
Robert Armstrong
11:23 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011
What's the name of the club?
Buzz Beeler
11:41 pm on Thursday, April 21, 2011
If you want to ask questions, I would think you should learn how to answer them. Remember the one where I challenged you to post a copy of the bill? I'm still waiting!
You constantly refer to FAIR as racist, then what is CASA?
Robert Armstrong
8:59 am on Friday, April 22, 2011
Buzz is out of touch with reality. The Sheriff I quoted is in charge of law enforcement of Pima County. Pima County is one of the counties that directly border Mexico. LOL Who am I to believe when it comes to border security? The Sheriff of a bordering county or Buzz from Dundalk?
I also linked an article which had quoted several Sheriff's from New Mexico saying there wasn't any problems there either.
Buzz Beeler
11:14 am on Friday, April 22, 2011
Robert, you are right, I am from Dundalk. Now where are you from?
Here is your reality!!!
Recently on the front page of the Sun the headlines revealed the conviction of two cartel members in Baltimore City. You also might remember the two illegals that decapitated members of their own family who were children in Baltimore City .
Yesterdays news reported that cartels are setting up operations in major cities across the
country. This link is also from HLS on the 262,000 plus illegals in our prisons.
http://www.nation2nation.net/security/homeland-security/262000-illegal-aliens-in-u-s-prisons/
Here is another perspective from a border sheriff.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/01/exclusive-federal-agents-told-reduce-border-arrests-arizona-sheriff-says/
Mexico ranks number 6 in murders per capita.
Since you have already made comments (click on Roberts name and read) that illegals don't want to become U.S. citizens, one would have to assume that you are here for the entitlements.
I don't get a warm and fuzzy feeling when people just across the border are butchered by decapitation and berried in large pits.
I don't get a warm fuzzy feeling when I read that 14 mayors from Mexico have been assassinated.
I don't get a warm fuzzy feeling when police chiefs are assassinated and entire departments are shut down when the remaining officers flee for fear of being next.
"BELIEVE IT, OR NOT!"
William Lutostanski Jr
11:26 am on Friday, April 22, 2011
I guess the homeless shelter on Robert's front lawn is a go. Ill get to work on it asap.
Buzz Beeler
11:45 am on Friday, April 22, 2011
William, PC and all of its entitlements are eroding this nation. People like Robert have no concept of the reality regarding illegal immigration.
Last night in Australia immigrants rioted and burned down the detention center.
California is now one of the worst states in the union to live as per Forbes Magazine. But that's OK, as long as the entitlements keep rolling in for them.
Read Robert's comments and you will have a good idea of what you are dealing with.
He never responds to questions unless they fit neatly into his agenda.
Everything is OK on the border though. So I guess the recent and ongoing documentary titled "Border Wars," must be talking about another planet.
Robert Armstrong
11:46 am on Friday, April 22, 2011
Thats just Chicken Little stuff made up to keep the old, angry white people fired up.
Thats not a border sheriff. The actual border sheriff said "The border has never been safer". Asking that Sheriff about the border would be akin to asking a cop in Garrett County how things are at the beach.
Buzz Beeler
8:59 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011
"Chicken Little!" Your own words. Perfect description of you. You could not have chosen a more appropriate self descriptive word. You hide in the shadows and use the R word over and over, you have the maturity of of ten year old.
You made reference to the Dream Act about someone not reading the bill and yet I'm still waiting to see you link it. You made the claim you read it but yet you can't produce it. It's been well over a day know and you still can't find it.
Some of your famous words of wisdom include LOL, Freak-O's, and Dunghead." And you want in-state tuition? I don't think you made it to high school.
Those "old, angry white people," you speak of pay your bills and probably bought that computer you rant on.
That is why I tell people before they think you may write something intelligent to click on you name. That says it all!
The beach you speak of like most of your facts is full of sand. Here is a link to the documentary titled "BORDER WARS."
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2010/11/26/exclusive-oliver-north-takes-you-behind-the-scenes-of-war-stories-on-the-border-the-third-front/
That's Robert, living in the shadows.
Buzz Beeler
9:29 pm on Friday, April 22, 2011
"Chicken Little." Your own words. Perfect self descriptive assessment.
You want in-state tuition??? You have to get through high school first. Here is more of your memorable dialogue using words like, "LOL, Freak-O's and Dunghead." You learn words like that on playgrounds, not in classrooms.
You have the maturity level of a ten year old. You use the R word over and over. You are rude and condensing. You call Americans "lazy," and stated illegals don't want to be citizens. Then why are you still here?
You live in the shadows and survive off the government.
The other day you chastised someone for not reading the Dream Act Bill and yet when I asked you to a link of the bill, nothing. You couldn't find it, much less link it.
Those "old, angry white people," you speak of pay your debts and probably bought that computer you rant on.
You brought up the word "beach," which is appropriate as in your logic is full of sand.
Safety on the border? Here's a documentary that refers to your safe border concept as "America's Third War!"
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2010/11/26/exclusive-oliver-north-takes-you-behind-the-scenes-of-war-stories-on-the-border-the-third-front/
No wonder illegal immigration is a problem in this country. It's people like you who make it that way.
Robert Armstrong
10:44 am on Saturday, April 23, 2011
I have never used the word Dunghead. I don't receive any government assistance and I pay more than the average American makes per year in taxes. When did I bring up the word "beach" and how exactly does one "condense"?
Illegal immigration isn't a problem in this country. Like I said, it's just an issue which the likes of Faux News uses to keep the old bitter white people in a tizzy. It keeps them from focusing on the real problems the country faces.
Buzz Beeler
9:15 pm on Saturday, April 23, 2011
Robert Armstrong commented on:
You Said it: Should Illegal Immigrants be Granted In-State Tuition?
"1% of what illegals steal...." There you go making things up again. You post 2 links. One is about "Dunghead media" and the …
First I accept the responsibility for my typo and misuse of the word.
Robert, does the above quote from your own typed words jog your memory. You do remember the quote don't you. It was taken off your comments section. So much for creditability.
"I don't receive any government assistance and I pay more than the average American makes per year in taxes." Per Robert's quote.
How can you pay any taxes when you don't work. We would all love to see how you can pay more taxes than the average American makes. What type of job do you claim to have?
Illegal immigration is one of the real problems this country faces. California spends $1.2 billion dollars on illegals in prison.
Here is your safe border assessment.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/29/border-states-dealing-illegal-immigrant-crime-data-suggests/
Like most people living in the shadows they lack any credibility.
"how things are at the beach." The answer to when you brought up the word beach taken from you comment on 4/22/11, at 11:46 a.m.
Why am I debating a child? I do this every time. Its like when a baby cries and you give it attention. I am as much to blame as he is.
Tom Henry
4:30 pm on Monday, May 2, 2011
CCBC's President obviously does not get it. It does not matter if it affects 20 or 20,000 students. If this law is allowed to take hold, students will flood from other states that don't allow it, crowding those out who have been lawful citizens since birth. We are also running a $1.1 billion structural deficit, how do we propose to fund it?