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Council Approves Expansion of Speed Camera Program

Amendments allow use of mobile cameras.

 

UPDATED (9:11 p.m.) — A controversial bill to expand speed camera enforcement in school zones was approved by the County Council  Monday night  by a vote of 5-2.

The final vote fell along party lines as expected, with Republican Councilmen Todd Huff and David Marks voting against an amended version of the bill supported by five Democrats.

"I'm happy," said Councilman Tom Quirk, a Catonsville Democrat and lead sponsor of the bill. "I think it's an opportunity to slow down traffic for our kids."

"Law-abiding citizens need not worry," Quirk said. "If you're driving the speed limit, you've nothing to worry about."

Prior to the final vote, the council approved two amendments by identical 5-2 votes.

The first amendment, sponsored by Council Chairman John Olszewski Sr., a Dundalk Democrat, allows the county to install a nearly unlimited number of cameras in school zones around the county.

Councilwoman Vicki Almond, a Reisterstown Democrat, sponsored an amendment that removed language requiring the county to notify individual council members of cameras that would be placed within their districts. The amendment also removed the ability of individual council members to veto the placement of those proposed cameras.

"I believe that's how (the bill) was originally intended," Olszewski said.

Don Mohler, a spokesman and chief of staff for County Executive Kevin Kamenetz, praised the removal of the veto language.

"It ought to be the police department suggesting where the best use of these cameras should be," said Mohler.

Roll call on bill 1-.11 to expand the county's speed camera program:

District Vote
Tom Quirk, Democrat, sponsor First For
Vicki Almond, Democrat Second For
Todd Huff, Republican Third Against
Ken Oliver, Democrat, co-sponsor Fourth For
David Marks, Republican Fifth Against
Cathy Bevins, Democrat, co-sponsor Sixth For
John Olszewski Sr., Democrat, co-sponsor Seventh For


Huff and Marks had supported both of the requirements stripped out by Almond's amendments.

"I'm really disappointed," Huff said of the amendments. "I thought I'd have something I could use to get them out of my district."

Huff said he believed aggressive lobbying efforts against Almond and Councilwoman Cathy Bevins, an Oliver Beach Democrat, hurt chances of keeping the veto language in the bill.

Last week, a group called Campaign for Liberty sent e-mails to Republicans calling Almond and Bevins wicked witches and Almond a "nut" who terrorizes her district.

Patrick Hussey, who described himself as "one of the key leaders of the group," told Patch last week that the e-mail was political satire intended to rally Republicans to his organization's efforts to defeat the bill.

Campaign for Liberty is a conservative group that supports small government.

"I feel like if (Campaign for Liberty) didn't attack some of my colleagues, things would have turned out differently tonight," Huff said.

The bill will take effect on Feb. 20.

Mohler said it has not been decided how many additional cameras will be purchased by the county.

The final vote Monday comes days after county officials announced it would exercise a one-year option to extend the current contract with ACS State and Local Solutions.

The Dallas-based company was awarded the contract after the county piggybacked off an existing Montgomery County contract rather than bid it out. The company has been paid nearly $1 million — about 81 cents of every dollar in fines collected by the county.

The extension does not mean the county cannot bid the contract out for a year. The agreement can be terminated after a 30-day notice, Mohler said.

"We have every intention of bidding out this contract," Mohler said, adding that he could not provide a specific timeline for when that would occur.

"It's complicated to put out a bid of this magnitude," Mohler said.

jack amrhein

7:57 pm on Monday, February 7, 2011

Nothing wrong with increasing the # of camereas-but to remove the cap completely with less that a year data is irresponsible-

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Kathy Bauman

12:02 pm on Tuesday, February 8, 2011

I walk and/or bike and/or drive past Catonsville high nearly daily on Rolling Road and don't understand the conservative view that using cameras to slow traffic down, and in the process increase much needed revenue is wrong. The right to life party? What about protecting existing lives? This area is extremely hostile to pedestrians, many of whom are students and folks trying not to do more harm to the environment. I fear the day one of the drivers not only is speeding, but texting as well and the we have the worst outcome. If drivers would slow down, this would not have become an issue.

Regarding the camera contractor, however, the 81% charge seems unacceptable. Fortunately, Brian Sears will keep us informed! The next election processnis not far off.

BGT3

8:53 pm on Monday, February 7, 2011

Officers giving out less citations isn't the figure people should be looking at. We should be looking at the RATE of citations.

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Sean Colin

10:09 pm on Monday, February 7, 2011

This is too bad-I suggest everyone download "trapster" to their smart phone-it gives up to date locations of all speed cameras across the nation, the Escort 9500IX is a GPS based radar detector that does the same thing as Trapster. Fight technology with technology!

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Michael Carnahan

8:44 am on Tuesday, February 8, 2011

I agree. Everyone should download this application. Then the County should add a "camera" location to every street in the application. Maybe that would help fight speeders. Or, better yet, just slow down.

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Sean Colin

9:12 pm on Tuesday, February 8, 2011

So we should have speed scameras on every street-really that's want you want? The locations will become known -the money will dry up-and the cameras will go away-after all they are a business not a safety measure

Buzz Beeler

10:11 pm on Monday, February 7, 2011

"We have every intention of bidding out this contract," Mohler said, adding that he could not provide a specific time line for when that would occur."

"It's complicated to put out a bid of this magnitude," Mohler said.

Mr. Mohler, I eagerly awate your actions to resolve this complicated issue. This is part of your job and you are compensated nicely for your efforts.

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Mike Pappas

11:27 pm on Monday, February 7, 2011

I hope the Council Members that voted for this bill do not actually believe their own hype about these cameras. This was political pay-back for campaign donations by the Corrupt Democrat Baltimore County Political Machine. Plain and simple.
They will not stop until this program pays for itself with our money- get set for a Speed camera on every corner. Try to find a space in this county that is not within a mile of a school of some kind. Next its day-care centers, then senior living centers, then comes apartment homes, and shopping centers.
In the end the five Council Members that voted for this just took our democracy one step closer to the Socialist Nanny State where individual liberty is replaced with government oversight. Sleep tight Baltimore County the fox is already in the hen house!

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Michael Carnahan

8:48 am on Tuesday, February 8, 2011

Mr. Pappas,

I truly appreciate your feelings on the greater issue. But on this issue, for me at least, it comes to the safety of my kids. And until you or someone else can find a way to slow down these selfish, inconsiderate, and dangerous drivers, I welcome these cameras, and I would even welcome one in front of my house. I'm currently trying to get the speed humps on my street, and I would welcome one of those in front of my house too. My children, their safety, and the safety of all pedestrians is much more important to me than the politics of the issue.

Anna Renault

6:06 am on Tuesday, February 8, 2011

Gosh, how hard is it to drive within 10 miles over the speed limit -- especially in school zones!??? Someone told me this is nothing but a new tax!?! WHAT? A tax is something you must pay.... you buy something, you must pay sales tax; you buy property, you must pay property tax... YOU SPEED, YOU CHOOSE to break the law and yes then you pay the penalty but you CAN slow down, be safe, allow school zones to be safer.
MY OBJECTION to the cameras is the amount we pay the company! THEY should NOT be getting more than 50%! Why are we NOT negotiating ASAP for a decent contract? Why are we not demanding equipment that is providing reliable, clear pictures? WHY are we letting these companies get rich while we provide all the customers?
I've said this before, you don't like speed cameras? SLOW DOWN and you will put the company out of business... and the purchase of the cameras by the government will NOT be profitable!

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Lil Hughes Knipp

7:35 am on Tuesday, February 8, 2011

Eight-one percent of every dollar goes to the contractor supplying the cameras? How wasteful! How about an old fashioned non-technological solution like speed bump and enhanced signage. Permanent, easily installed--break the law and it's your vehicle that is harmed.

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Stranger

8:04 am on Tuesday, February 8, 2011

If ACS were a publically-traded company, its shares would go through the roof today. The driving force behind the forthcoming explosion in the number of cameras and tickets issued will be ACS's profit motive (81 cents on each dollar fined), rather than safety. If the cameras were owned by local government (e.g., the public), there'd be some viable measure of accountability -- no pun intended -- and a plausible measure of responsibility vis-a-vis the number and placement of cameras. As it stands, this is an incredible windfall for ACS. I'm sure champagne corks were flying at their digs last night...

I smell a lawsuit.

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Ruth Baisden

8:37 am on Tuesday, February 8, 2011

Thank you Patch for keeping up on this issue and posting how each councilmember voted. Many times the council votes on laws important to citizens but, no one knows about the vote and miss the time to provide input into the issue.

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Doug Donovan

9:37 am on Tuesday, February 8, 2011

Thanks for the kind words. And thanks for reading.

Doug Donovan
Regional Editor, Maryland
Patch.com

Sean Colin

9:28 am on Tuesday, February 8, 2011

I am in no way a lawyer, but if one of you is, please answer these questions:

-How can a speed limit infraction be treated differently depending on who observes you-a cop or a camera-a camera issues to the owner-a cop issues to the driver

-Does the state saying that it's "ok" to exceed the posted speed limit by 11mph prevent a police officer for writing a ticket for a speed limit infraction below that number?

-Why is the fine imposed different? The cameras charge $40-an officer can impose a different fine-why no points on your record from a camera?

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wwjd

11:04 am on Tuesday, February 8, 2011

Speed cameras are just one piece of the safety campaign. The community should also focus on motorists who refuse to stop for pedestrians in crosswalks and property owners and businesses that refuse to remove snow and ice from their sidewalks. If the police would issue citations for these offenses, 100% of the fines would be returned to the community instead of lining the pockets of a firm in Texas. Right now, we have motorists who are driving too fast in school zones, and students who need to walk in the street because some of the sidewalks are still covered with ice (long after the storm).

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Lil Hughes Knipp

12:03 pm on Tuesday, February 8, 2011

I agree with Mike Pappas's comments above. The use of these cameras will continue to grow because it represents a significant income stream to the local government, even at 20 percent of the proceeds. I would much rather see us use speed bumps and traffic calming device, which have the added benefits of employing people to build such structures and punishing those that speed anyway. The increased use of cameras is too Big Brotherish to me. I received a red light ticket recently after going through an extremely short yellow light on a six-lane major road. It was not located near a school or other sensitive zone. I was told not to fight it because they have the "proof;" a $75 ticket. Cha-ching. Cha-ching.

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Tim

12:33 pm on Tuesday, February 8, 2011

Glad this was approved. Don't like speed cameras? Here's an idea - DON"T SPEED.

Typical speed cameras are only calibrated to go off situationally (not if you're going 2 mph over). The speed cameras on the interstates, for example, are generally calibrtaed to go off if you're 10-12 mph over.

I think speed cameras are an excellent tactic because it allows the county/state to raise revenue at the expense of law violators (instead of proportionally raising taxes on everyone accordingly). Meanwhile, the law violators don't have permanent damage done to their driving record. These type of tickets are never worth points, just a flat fine that eventually works great as a deterrent.
No need to go to court, or be penalized in the longer term due to insurance rate hikes that an actual ticket from a police officer can entail.

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K Blue

4:54 pm on Tuesday, February 8, 2011

Tim, can you answer this please? Who 2 of the following 3 do you think are more likely to alter their driving behavior to comply with the law:

a. A speeder who was stopped within moments of the infraction, issued a ticket by a police officer and given a lecture/education of sorts by the officer on the dangers of speeding in school areas, plus a fine and points;
b. A speeder who suffers property damage to his/her car for driving over speed bumps, humps, strips at an excessive speed; or
c. A speeder who received a ticket in the mail weeks after the offense, and who faces no points, and no lecture/education by an officer, but only a $40 fine.

I think the overall objective should not be a financially self-sustaining speed ticket issuance program, but a program best adapted to alter driver behavior and minimize safety issues in these areas.

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K Blue

4:57 pm on Tuesday, February 8, 2011

I would like to see the County implement & track alternative deterrent programs (using the excess revenue they have already made) in these zones & present that data to the public. I fear that these speed cameras will eventually surplant traditional and effective traffic enforcement & traffic calming methods. I say run all 3 programs side-by-side for comparison. Assign rookies, on a rotating basis, to these school details to give them the experience in traffic stops that they need & the paperwork obligations that they entail. In the end, everyone on this page wants the same thing --- increased safety and minimization of risk. [When the money is there, if its not already, put some speed bumps/humps/strips down in those areas where it is practical (which isnt necessarily everywhere) and see if that produces the desired change.] I hate to see the County putting all of its eggs in one basket.

Buzz Beeler

4:16 pm on Tuesday, February 8, 2011

Doug, while you at it, please think about adding the voting records of our local legislators in the asylum in the varied and important issues that will start coming to a reader near you.

We are looking at some important ones, e.g. county funding, education, pensions, immigration, in-state tuition, let me catch my breath. Break it down the way you break down the coverage of the various communities.

Those interested in areas other than theirs can visit and take a look.

Then stand back and watch the hits, on the site that is, and then put your ear plugs in and fasten your seat belt.

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chuck marks

4:19 pm on Tuesday, February 8, 2011

smile..... you're on candid camera.just another step towards big brother government.And don't the democrats just love to grab your money..thanks to the two republicans for their efforts.

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Nelson Lowman

11:37 pm on Tuesday, February 8, 2011

This Speed Camara flack is going to grow.. we begged for speed bumps in my Cockeysville Neigh a few years ago, the County said no because it would hurt the snow plows...now they wrap themselves in the flag of public safety .... its money ... plain and simple

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Buzz Beeler

11:48 pm on Tuesday, February 8, 2011

And guess who is spending it all. Have you looked at the salaries being paid to Kamenetz's "cabinet."

That is, according to the experts, the first thing people look at.

Robert Armstrong

7:04 am on Wednesday, February 9, 2011

What are the salaries being paid to Kamenetz's " cabinet" Buzz? How do they compare to other jurisdictions? Do you even know or are you just venting again?

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Kathy Bauman

11:27 am on Wednesday, February 9, 2011

I cannot agree that this is about money. In Catonsville, which is Tom Quirk's district, (Tom introduced the bill) those of us who live on or near Rollong Road near two schools have been arguing for help with reckless speeding for years and the folks I speak to are in favor of the bill. Many of us, including numerous students, walk. Folks won't let their kids play near the front yards because cars have actually flipped over in yards. One of the drivers who flipped her car said it wasn't her first time. We hpoe that speed cameras will change behavior. Traffic signals seem to exacerbate the problem with drivers speeding up to beat the light. Speed traps are helpful, but are sporadic and divert the officers from other duties. Obviously, the cameras won't change everyone's behavior, in our community we hope that it will slow down the general flow.

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Jason Knauer

3:33 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011

I can NOT WAIT..for these speed cameras. Maybe then the guy in his 60k CTS-V who bothered to roll down his window and SCOLD THE CROSSING GUARD for taking to long (in his opinion) safely cross the children at Oakleigh and White Oak won't cut through our neighborhood because he sure as heck doesn't live here.

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Steve Whisler

7:44 pm on Wednesday, March 2, 2011

The Democrat-dominated Council had a chance to exhibit their ability to work in a bi-partisan fashion for a bill that would bring safety to needed areas. The original bill was supported by both parties. Instead, Democrats went too far, enabling the county to install an "unlimited" amount of cameras throughout the county. There is no question that some residents in some locations wanted cameras -- they should get them. However, we now have an over-reaching law that will, over time, be used to bring more dollars into state and county coffers.

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Buzz Beeler

11:41 pm on Wednesday, March 2, 2011

Steve, I have asked county officials numerous times how much money is being spent on illegals. As of yet, I have heard nothing. This goes to the heart of your quote of, "used to bring more dollars into state and county coffers."

This is especially troubling since at a candidate forum one evening before the election Mr. Kamenetz responded to my question on this topic with the following quote - "No illegals."

There are two issues in play here. One is that he lied to me, and the second he is hiding the truth from the taxpayers.

Robert Armstrong

8:05 am on Thursday, March 3, 2011

Buzz,

What in the world do "illegals" have to do with speed cameras? You have "illegals" on the brain.

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