They can take up a third collection at every mass and label it "Dream Fund."if they can repair the basilica for a couple of million dollars they can certainly sponsor some college kids.

If the Catholic Church would like to continue to dabble in influencing politics, it should forfeit it's tax exempt status.

JD1 found the ROOT CAUSE! While the DIRECT CAUSE is throughout this thread
JS must have deleted comments....proof?

:First,Read Disclaimer!!!!
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/R-Jesuits_history_political_power_Pope
open mind needed
Just wonder before JS deletes this too

You want it from the horses mouth? Well here you Go! they hide behind Charities playing on emotions than reality: Catholic Church has great influence in forming public opinion at a worldwide level and plays an active role in defining social and global geopolitical tendencies. If you look its a cross between business/Military Listen to one man or WE the PEOPLE? here are there sites You decide!
http://www.zenit.org/page-010801?l=english#item0
http://old.usccb.org/bishops/dfi/exemptionruling.htm
JS has deleted my posts before I wonder if they do it again

The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is an independent US Government agency responsible for providing national security intelligence

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/vt.html

The Vatican City is a Country
Meets The Criteria for Independent Country Status
So how come we let a country get around taxes?

Cali East Baby!!!!

From one Independent to another, only a complete fool would remove Dr. Hrabowski from UMBC. He is one of the best university presidents in the country, probably the most hands-on, available and public representative of any college in the land. Because Dr. Hrabowski takes a stand on an issue that benefits his institution and society, but places a small burden on state residents with which you disagree is, indeed, a very foolish reason to remove him. This is not Virginia, we don't give ultimatums to our university officials to take positions against their own best judgements for their students and their institutions because of our own selfish interests.

Explain to me how the removal of President Hrabowski, a dedicated educator and believer in children as the future, would have any positive effect at all, either towards your clouded cause, or against the DREAM Act. Another President would fill the position, and still your tax money goes toward the university system. Your reasoning is weak, your judgement invalid. He has no clue what it's like in the "real world"? Will that be before or after he was jailed for a civil rights demonstration, earned his PhD at 24, and started a scholarship to help minority students succeed? Please, tell me, what is the real world?

@Frank, you think you are soo frickin smart, what kind of statement is that? Oh yeah, you are so narrowminded that you think that conservatives want bad air to breath, dirty water to drink and swim in, power outages all the time, bad roads, a failing education system (oh you already mentioned that)... you are such a fool. I know why you vote dem and support their leftist views, here is one reason "I voted Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would." If you are so smart, why do you ALWAYS make such stupid comments, with all your rants and childish temper tanturms.

Sorry Frank, I forgot you people can only do one thing at a time...you must be a government "comrad" worker. DA

Cmon Frankie..."American conservatives' contempt for higher education is nothing short of astonishing".
where are the facts that conservative have contempt for higher education??? Oh yeah, I thought so, you cannot defend with any facts once again. I can tell from all your comments (yours, PA, jag and others that share your distorted views) that you clearly lack the intelligence to think for yourself. This is a PRIME example. Therefore any comments you make on these posts should be taken as just "hearsay" and without ANY factual basis.

How many people have appliances delivered, or contractors who only "one" speaks english? I have been told by business owners that the one that speaks english is legal while the one that cant speak english is illegal, I saw the same with contractors tree removal during the aftermath of the storm that left us without power Some business owners have to use the same tactics to survive. I know one that employed several; the group will get an apartment work and send money to there home country or move family to create the anchor . Its all about money and control!

"Illegal is illegal." Except when it's not. Overstaying a visa is one way to be an "illegal," but this is a civil offense. Violating the terms of a contract is no more illegal than overstaying a visa.

Ridiculous.

This is one issue I think conservatives will like me on. I couldn't dis-agree more with this DREAM garbage. Illegal is illegal. Legal immigrants = awesome. Overstaying your visa is still illegal. Get it renewed, or go home.

I fully support legal immigrants getting the proper in-state tuition.

I would love to see more information on what type of financial aide these illegal immigrant students are receiving. I'd also love to know how illegal immigrants are paying taxes if they are here illegally???? How are they obtaining jobs without the proper I-9 documentation? We need to learn lessons from the state of California - where the burden of illegals receiving state benefits (education, welfare, healthcare..etc) have helped to financially cripple the state.

"Is this why Maryland college tuitions have gone up every year??"

No, because it isn't even in effect yet.

"Every illegal college student takes away something from a legal American college student."

Hyperbole. As an answer to that, and to SAH's request for more information on what type of financial aide they have access to, this page http://www.finaid.org/otheraid/undocumented.phtml documents a few of the private scholarships available to undocumented students.

As for the questions about how Undocumented citizens manage to pay taxes, see: http://roygermano.com/2011/02/28/do-illegal-immigrants-pay-taxes/

This law is extremely conservative and requires a lot from those who would be applying (tax returns for 3 years from student and parents, attendance at a community college for two with successful completion of an associate's degree). While I don't know where Steve's 60 affected students statewide number comes from in a comment below, it wouldn't surprise me if that's close.

If you want to get the STRAIGHT info and not the OWEmalley, MOCo, PG county info, call Pat McDonough or email him. He has been fighting for the MD taxpayers for quite some time. Over $1B REAL taxpayers dollars go to pay for illegals to be here in MD. MoCo is the biggest culprit by bringing them here and paying their way. They have also been lining them up in the past at the MVA in Gaithersburg and signing them up for drivers licenses and to vote in our elections, with the help from people at Casa of MD and LaRaz. Read this article http://www.fairus.org/news/report-finds-high-cost-for-maryland-from-illegal-immigration

Did you not know that in MD illegals get preference over REAL tax payers in getting financial aid. We have to cover those costs somehow and the dems in MD use the REAL taxpayers of MD as ATM machines. I suggest all of you who don't really understand what is going on here contact Pat McDonough and get the "straight skinny". The dems are hiding the real costs of covering illegals in MD, has now gone up to $1.9Billion of taxpayers dollars per yr. Not to mention what scams they have going on filing false tax returns. I have added the link of the video since I know 99.9% libs don't read, they just spew back what they see and hear. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg_6en7lbx0

I support them being deported.

I support them being deported too! A shame that people dont get arrested for aiding them....

Again, I'm all for those legally residing here getting whatever they deserve under the law. I'm not anti-immigrant, I'm anti-illegal immigrant.

Paul:
Anchor babies is a fairly common practice. It shouldn't be supported. It's hyperbole you spout presently. Every child has relatives in their former country - somewhere. It's not our civic responsibility as a country to take care of illegals, any more then its our business to meddle excessively in middle Eastern affairs.

Of course I find it amusing that both parties are hypocrites in their own way.

I am NOT anti business or a business making money but when you have hotels offering women to come here to the US and have their babies (for a cost) and be born US citizens, that I have a problem with. It is illegal, just like ILLEGAL entry into the USA and being here illegally. You lefties out there, lets see you cross the boarder into MX and see how you are treated...WILL BE A WAKE UP CALL TO YOU PEOPLE. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/birth-tourism-industry-markets-us-citizenship-abroad/story?id=10359956

sure FIFA but NOT on our dime...do you really understand what is going on here? Call Pat McDonoughs office and you can get the REAL facts, not what is fabricated truth from the dems in MD. They can pay full tuition, not get it subsidised by the taxpayers of MD.

LOL, someone's bitter their kid wasn't good enough for UMD. Check out the campus sometime...about a billion other white males made it. That's not the issue, buddy.

Paul and jag, you 2 area couple of racist, left wing nutjobs. Whatever you 2 post is so moronic, you 2 deserve each other. You saul alinsky style does not cut it here nor anywhere else.

@Jay, the REAL problem is those that run this "henhouse" from the village idiots on the MOCO county council all the was up to OWEmalley. You want your children to get a REAL FAIR shake, then vote the dems out next time and se how things turn around in MD. Just look at how Wisconsin has turned around under conservative rule, they ahve a surplus and the peole are making money and schools have money. That is why Scott Walker beat his opponent when the unions and the dems tried to recall him... If more self proclaimed "smart" people in MD would open their eyes to the lies, deciept and the crimes committed by the dems in MD, this would be a better place.

Like I said earlier Frank is an idiot...probably one of those community organizers who try to create a proble...the likes of him are the problem

You're psychotic, B Allen. Get some anger management help.

@jag whaaaa whaaaa a thousand time whaaaaa. I could hear you crying all the way over hear. You people don't like being put down and "outed" to how fooling you look and sound.

If I was an parent paying out of state tuition at a MD college, I would sue OWEmalley and the republic of MD. Illegals are Aliens, and in the MD bylaws anyone not of MD is considered an "Alien", therefore MD has opened itself up to MANY lawsuits. Then again, I would not think that the dems in MD are smart enought to figure that one out.

Once again Frank, you have opened your mouth and removed all doubt...operative word "IF". You are such a richard cranium. Out of state students DO have a leg to stand on and could sue the republic of MD and the village idiot OWEmalley to get their money back should the so called dream SCAM pass. The MAJORITY of people in MD both dems and republicans are against it. Yeah, there are MANY dems against it, just look at the numbers and the people that signed the petition to have it on the ballot in the fall. I had quite a few on my street sign it and I KNOW they are dems. Once I explained the ponzi scheme, they understood. What is your problem? nobody can be as stupid as you are. The other thing I feel sorry for you is that you post your ignorant statements here for all to see. Get the facts.

you are right dave, but the $1.9 Billion they are spending on illegals right now could go a long way for the people of MD and NOt have to keep using us as ATM machines. http://www.fairus.org/news/report-finds-high-cost-for-maryland-from-illegal-immigration

well, democrats in MD have illegals to sign up to vote in our elections. Casa of MD was lining them up at the DMV in gaithersburg before the 2008 election and getting them on the voter rolls, with the democrat party volunteers helping. then they brought the list to the UN to show hugo chavez when he was there calling bush the devil...because hugo chavez is funding casa of md along with MoCo taxpayer dollars

MD, I second your comments completely! I will support Pat McDonough and any political candidate that states they will do whatever it takes to stop illegal immigration. I would like to see what these bleeding heart liberals say when MD and federal taxes go up even more than they are now. Sad that O'Malley can fund Casa De Maryland but he can't give Baltimore City that money to keep their rec centers open for poor legal children.

Exactly.

"INS" They haven't been around for years. What rock have you been living under?

Because it would look silly. The illegal immigrants you want deported are the ones committing additional crimes, not speaking at a rally in a mature and reasoned way and indicating they want an education so they can be a productive member of society.

Follow the money.
Cheap labor for big business.

@Bill MC, what are you talking about. It is against the law for businesses to hire illegals...what are you another "hate business" jerks. The illegals are doing lawn work for the MoCo councilmembers, Ike Leggett, OWEmalley and all the rest of the dems. Didn't you know that in MOCo the dems want to bring more illegals here to work the agricultural areas in northern MoCo? That will add more illegals into the educational system and a burden on taxpayers in MD. $1.9Billion would go a long way for taxpayers in MD. http://www.fairus.org/news/report-finds-high-cost-for-maryland-from-illegal-immigration

B Allen: If you don't think local businesses around here hire illegals...

New Obama admin mandates. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Xb2_3R6oHSQ

Tim, I know businesses hire illegals. I am FULLY aware of what is going on here in MoCo and MD as a whole. I have been fighting the illegal issue for over 13 yrs. The MoCo county councilmembers continually give money to illegals, have been on the board of directors for casa of md. Mikulski, Cardin, Van Hollen and other dems have supported giving illegals taxpayer dollars, have aided and abetted in criminal activity in getting illegals signed up for drivers licenses and to vote in OUR elections. OWEmalley is continuaing all of this and shoving it down the taxpayers throats. So, if anyone supports their aiding and abetting, then maybe you need to get YOUR checkbook out and pay more in taxes to support the illegls. I don't feel ANY law biding taxpayer from whichever party you support should have to pay more to support illegals. Also, if you look at the petition that was sent around to get this so called "Dream Act" on the ballot, you will see that MANY are Dems that signed it. There is hope that some get the full picture. I feel sorry for those who don't, because they will NEVER get it.

Steve, you apparently have NO idea what the college admittance requirements are now. Good grades and SAT scores are NOT enough. You need to have lots of extra-curricular "stuff" (activities, volunteer work, job, whatever) AND fit in with the population quotas for the school (so many whites, Asians, blacks, etc., and then so many of each sex in each race plus other factors, such as family income (certain percentage from disadvantaged backgrounds, for instance), etcetera, etcetera, etcetera to quote the King in The King and I.

Once you have that, there is the percentage of students that are in-state and receive the lower tuition rate vs. the number who are out of state and pay the higher rate. Every illegal who gets in-state tuition takes away an in-state tuition slot from a legal resident.

If Jay's kid "didn't have what it takes", it very likely was not in the grade department but in the ethnic/social/residency department. I know 5 students with high GPAs who graduated from Maryland high schools last year who College Park either wait-listed or denied outright. Their SAT scores were all over 1850 (3 were over 2000). We are chasing some of our best students out of state.

I'm sorry that they are here illegally because their parents brought them here as children and the children didn't have a say in it. However, this is NOT my fault and I'm NOT willing to pay for it. No one is denying these children an education; we're denying them the lower tuition rate.

@Steve what rock do you live under? In MD it is not based on your abilities, it is based on race, national origin and sex. MD education system is trying to build very good party "comrads"

Well explained Mari !

I am firmly against this law, and plan to vote it down in the fall. I am no racist or bigot. In fact, I am married to a foreign national who resides here LEGALLY. Let's have a spirited debate, but please leave the name calling out. Having gone through the immigration process with my husband, I resent how easy Maryland has made it to buck the system and encourage illegal immigration. No one here is saying they don't have a right to an education. They are here illegally, and should not benefit from subsidized tuition. And - race quotas do, in fact, exist.

If we break the speed laws and get caught, we pay the price. The illegal students have broken the law simply by being here illegal but are not willing to pay the price. Big difference...

Hey Steve, if you want to talk racism, let's examine the difficulties a white foreign national from Eastern Europe faces just trying to immigrate here legally. If they try to illegally immigrate and are caught they are deported immediately.

Steve: False. Your attempts at mis-direction are failing as far as those of us with a fully functioning brain are concerned.

"White Foreign Nationals from Europe"??? If you are an Eastern European Jew you don't even have to wait in line. You automatically qualify for a Green Card.

If you bust your ass and are reasonably intelligent you can get into any university you want to. Period.

You know the saying "Excuses are like........."

Steve. There you go. Calling names. You're good at that. Referring to comment you made about speed cameras and Sunday fishing law, here's another one for you: it is illegal to throw bales of hay from a second floor window within city lmits.. Use that one the next time you want to make a silly comparison I don't pick and choose laws to obey. If it's illegal to fish on Sunday then arrest or ticket people that beak that law. When enough attention is brought to the No Fishing On Sunday Law and it's irrelevance it will be removed. But to excuse away illegal immigrants breaking the law? STEVE, ILLEGAL MEANS ILLEGAL! WOW!

I work with 3 guys, each from the same Central American country. They all came here 2 decades ago speaking only Spanish, sporting dark sun-kissed skin, black hair...you know the pretty typical looking latino. Each has become a USA citizen, learned English, and speak it proficiently. They work hard and are productive employees. Each have sent back for family members and have waited patiently for their legal arrival while they were processing their imigration papers. Each on of these guys despises foriegners who skirt the law and enter illegally. They each oppose the Dreamers desire for special exception. Are they racists too, or is it just those folks you suspect of being white non-latino males that qualify for this label?

Chillin, that is exactly the case in point. Family friends of ours since 1982 are from south america. I even vouched for the husband when he wanted to become a citizen, His visa ran out after his family returned to South America and he wanted to stay. They also have many friends from south and central america, mexico, etc. They are ALL here legally and detest those who are here illegally and cry for "their fair share". They do not like the way illegals are treated in MOCo and get their handouts every month when they work hard, have businesses and vote republican every time.

Clearly little kevin did not graduate or attend college very long. If he did, they failed in their admission process. kevin sometimes it is better to just not open your mouth and show people your intelligence.

Steve, are you really this ignorant about the current state of college admissions or are you being purposely argumentative and stupid? The quotas exist! College admission personnel and high school counselors know it and admit it openly. What do you think diversity is??? Geesh! Here's a quarter, buy a clue.

Steve is ignorant...PERIOD!!!

illegals aren't all minorities.

most folks don't have an issue with foreigners - you know, the ones here legally.

Again, another failed attempt at misdirection.

Paul: You may be right. Let me alter that.

< I > don't have any problem with legal immigrants, Muslim included.

Perhaps I am once again giving humanity too much credit.

Yeah, and the Indiana town fair where they had Obama as a punching bag. A registered Republican actually complained about it (amongst other folks).

I try not to rely on the rural midwest and deep south for much intellectually, and I'm seldom surprised. Stupid is as stupid is raised.

Yeah, republicans know how to act. When the GOP complained about the dems hanging bush in effigy and the movie they put out about Bush getting assinated, the dems said it was "free speech"...just to name a couple of instances.

@Steve, oh another category i forgot you lefties have a "lock" on. "minorities". we are not talking about "minorities" we are talking about people who are here against the law and the taxpayers of MD are footing the bill for them...all $1.9 Billion in MD alone. Does not matter where they are from, illegal is illegal http://www.fairus.org/news/report-finds-high-cost-for-maryland-from-illegal-immigration

big·ot·ry
 1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

Fits perfectly.

The leftie lucies in MD have to resort tousing their "coined" categories, you nkow racist, bigot, etc etc. They throw those words out there in hopes it may stick, but NEVER does. This is NOT only about people who are "illegal" does not matter where they are from, Germany, Ireland, England, etc...it does not matter. What matters is that REAL MD taxpayers are paying more and more in taxes, why do you think OWEmalley keeps coming back for special sessions to raise taxes? The costs of paying for ILLEGALS has skyrocketed in MD to $1.9Billion/ yr, paid by MD taxpayers. Why do you think your income taxes and property taxes are being increased? Why do you think fees, not to be associated with taxes, are being increase? rad this and find out how much we are paying. http://www.fairus.org/news/report-finds-high-cost-for-maryland-from-illegal-immigration

Then its an utter waste of legislation and their time. They should be focusing on things that actually affect Marylanders.

No because it affects a lot more veterans and current military personnel than it does "illegals". The Dumbos that blindly signed the petition without actually reading the law are pretty friggin' stupid. They were duped.

That number comes from where?

That number comes right from the Dean of the Community College of Baltimore County as reported right here on Patch.
"Sandra Kurtinitis, CCBC president, told council members Monday night that only 20 of the college's 74,000 students could potentially qualify under the law."

BCCC is the largest community college system in the state and only 20 students are affected.

You guys are so easily led around by your noses by out of state interests.

This Steve character sounds familiar! I wonder if his wife, the family breadwinner works for the AG Gansler.

haha, what does AG stand for in this case? Another Gangster...Gansler is one of them...

Steve is a guy that believes we should be supporting ILLEGALS. He makes excuse after excuse why it's the job of the state to provide assisstance for ILLEGALS. If you don't agree then he becomes a name caller. I've never met Steve but I picture his home to be a spacious abode where he has hundred's upon hundred's of ILLEGALS living there rent free. Feeding, clothing and educating them on HIS dime. A real modern day Mother Theresa.

Peter O'Malley

Steve is too busy living off the hardwork of taxpayer's to actually have his OWN money. He is the prodigal government son that expects cradle to grave entitlements. Steve is the hetero-lifemate of that Julia web character.

And all Escariot does is take government money for his cancer screenings.

too bad Steves' mother did not have to do her hair or something more meaningless the night it was conceived. Or even made a trip to PP after the fact.

Excellent. Should be a required course on that subject.

IMO The ones who complain the most about college are the ones who have never been. It really must suck to go through life with that big of a chip on your shoulder.

Ohai, we could have an entire discussion thread on why the cost of of college is so high, but I personally think one huge contributing factor is the availability of student loans. The cheapest 4 year colleges that we've looked at for my daughter will cost $20K/year for tuition, room, board, books, fees, etc. They only go up from there and total costs in the low to mid $30K range is not unusual, especially at out of state schools. If a student and his/her parents had to pay cash for these schools, colleges would not be able to increase their costs by $1,000 or more a year every year (for everything, not just tuition). With these costs and the lack of a good job market for graduates (even some with science, computer science, engineering, math, etc., degrees), college is quickly becoming a BAD investment.

As far as subsidies, if it makes you feel any better, in April, 2011, the legislature started phasing out the Distinguished Scholar Program. New students are not being accepted into this program, which benefited students with a record of higher academic achievement. This is just something else that is sending our smarter kids to out of state schools that offer them a better aid package, including a tuition discount based on their grades and SAT scores. Once they go out of state, there is a good chance that they will stay there and not bring their brains and abilities back to Maryland.

Details. Steve not a detail guy. He doesn't equate illegals and in-state tuition with any cost to taxayers or tuition cost increases.

My, my, my - Escariot woke up again. How's that government funded paycheck doing you. Talk about something from under a rock. Actually from the bowels of an elephant would be more descriptive and accurate. Spewing hate while stealing money from the government called a pay check.

Yo John, describe in detail what the DREAM Act will cost you?

Details! What do you mean Details? Who needs details?

John, where are yours?

and FIFA, what are you some plant by the Casa of MD people. Like are you good friends with the MoCo Socialist scumbag Gustavo Torres ? You know he is one of those trying to start a revolution here, they are also the ones that support Che Guevara the Marxist and mass murderer, just as Nobama pictures himself on those bumber stickers. Here is Torres in action. http://themilitant.com/2007/7145/714503.html

That's ridiculous.

Good point you brought up John. One of my best friends works for Ride on and he tells me that over 70% of riders on ride on are free. Alot of them are those that are here illegally. I support letting the elderly, students (during scool hours) handicapped, etc, but not illegals. They are NOT allowed to voice their opinion about it and the taxpayers of Montgomery County have to support it with our taxdollars. But it is ok for legget to take away our services that we pay for, like ambulence service. Stevie, Frank Jag and others better not have a heart attack, they will not have an ambulence to ride to the hospital in, since they would not be able to afford the $600 cost for the ride.

Describe how that will work one who lives in the gutter.

You miss the point that these are also TAXPAYERS that we are talking about. In-state tuition is not a "discount," it's a lower rate based on the recognition that our tax dollars already go to support our state schools. The DREAM Act is not some kind of handout to freeloading "illegals," it's simply an extension of that same lower rate to people who ALSO already pay taxes to support those schools.

We are talking about illegal immigrants (or undocumented workers, if you prefer). They need "documents" to work. All employers must fill out I-9 forms proving an applicant is permitted to work in the USA. In order to fill out this I-9 form, the employer must see proof they are legal. Any employer who hires people without first completing this I-9 form risks paying thousands to tens of thousands of dollars in fines.
It is easier (and cheaper) to pay the "undocumented workers" under the table, withholding no taxes, and paying no employment taxes. When this is done, how does the illegal immigrant file a tax return?

With a TIN.

Steve, try to keep up. If they have documents, which I assume that's what you mean by a TIN, then THEY ARE NOT ILLEGAL.

Dawn, get the facts on how it works. I know when you are young and ill informed about the truth and the facts on how something like this affects the REAL taxpayers, you tend to lean towards the liberal way of thinking. I am sure it is because you are unable to differentiate between the liberal democrat lies and how they want power by deceiving you and the more thoughtful solutions to problems by the conservatives. I was a lib whenI was younger, I protested the in the 60's but realized in the late 70's how many of the dem ways of doing things hurt this country. Even look how the leader of the jackass party is now saying people on welfare don't have to look for work, they can just stay on welfare and take from the people that work and pay taxes, you know his method of "sharing the wealth". Case in point here, you don't have to work and pay taxes but you can have the taxpayers of MD pay part of the education costs for you. Just another way of looking at it.

That all sounds great! But what about the little fact that we seem to forget. Illegal immigrants, whether willfull or gagged and tied and brought here by force, they are here illegally and are beaking the law.

Finally someone gets it! Well written Andrea!

Agreed on all counts. People who are up in arms about the Dream Act need to look again at those criteria. The kids who qualify are smart and motivated. They are the ones we should be scrambling to keep in Maryland and keep on track for citizenship and future success.

How is rewarding lawbreakers fair Andrea? Do we refuse to arrest and incarcerate single moms and dads that break into houses or rob banks because their innocent kids will become wards of the state even though they are innocent? Your reasons are as ridiculous as all the others. We have a system of immigration that is based on foreigners applying for citizenship, not stealing their way into the country. Based on your above post Andrea, heart surgeons, doctors, and police officers should be allowed to drive drunk, do drugs, and commit felonies because they have a positive role in our society. What happens Andrea when everyone decides that the rule of law no longer matters because immigrants clearly disregard them? What happens Andrea when an "unlicensed" pharmacist tries to sell drugs to your kids? Is it okay Andrea, because it is only fair that the drug dealer make a living? Your white pride statement clearly marks you as a racist. What does race have to do with one's immigration status? Are there not illigal immigrants that are chinese, hispanic, norwegian, and of other ethnicities? Sorry Andrea, but me and others that will vote this disgrace of the law down believe in the rule of law, not awarding lawbreakers special status and rewards.

Good work, Andrea. I plan to vote FOR the Dream Act, and volunteer to support it. I plan to get no converts here, so I'll save my fingers.

Escariot, these are kids. Also, if they can handle college courses conducted in English and are working towards citizenship, chances are they didn't jump hop off the boat yesterday. Chances are they arrived as young children with their parents and have been here for quite a while.

If you want to pound your fist about their being "illegal," knock yourself out. For quite a few of us, we're thrilled by the DREAMers' hard work and dedication, look forward to their future success, and want to do right by them.

Andrea, first, the parents are NOT required to PAY taxes; they are merely required to file tax returns.

Second, no one is denything the illegal students "full access to education". We are saying they should not have in-state tuition when they are illegally.

Your writing style is clear; it's unfortunate that you choose to play fast and loose with the facts.

By the way, what's wrong with white pride - or would you also say that to a minority who pointed out that their child was black, Asian, etc.?

Mari, I think it would be great if DREAM opponents campaigned on 'white pride,' It would certainly clear up any misperceptions about where you're coming from.

Andrea's use of the term "undocumented workers" kind of gives it away that she is an O'Malley shill.

Matt, I'm not campaigning on "white pride" and neither is anyone else. Andrea brought it up in a disparaging way and I was asking why. It was a simple question but if you want to spin in the same way that the Dream Act proponents have twisted the facts, have at it.

HAHAHA, stevie says well said. Well, if you are a liberal who likes as your chief lier in the white house says "share the wealth", then it is well said. Sales tax does not count. Illegals are not allowed to work legally, therefore they do not pay income tax, ss tax and medicare. They get free taxpayers dollars, illegally by those runing Maryland, you know the dems. One of my daughters friends from high school. whose family is here illegally were getting subsidized by the taxpayers in MoCo. Both parents did not work, well only getting illegal jobs under the table at Casa of MD and NOT filing tax returns. The daughter got mixed up with gang activities in 10th grade and got arrested. They gave her an ultimatum, go to juvi school or go to jail. Of course she went to juvi school, paid for by the taxpayers of course. She also got free MoCo college education after, which I was glad that she was trying to turn her life around, but again, it was at the cost of the taxpayers. Why should the taxpayers pay for it? None of you have really justifies why, you just give the lib share the wealth viewpoint which makes no sense.

BTW @Bart, nice to see a good little comrad who cannot think for itself. Now, if you believe all the lib crapola, I have a bridge to sell you. haha

andrea you will never get it they are here illegally a crime was commited ,and the politician is also commiting a crime by letting this shit happe 910 dollars extra commingg out of every household for this u libs love to spend other ppls. monwy.!! sad!!

I have taken many economic courses. I have a college degree. I graduated with honors. You apparently you have no such degree as all you do is talk like a tape recorder and write like you hold a crayon in all caps.

It was an easy question, apparently you cannot answer it.

FIFA if that is all true, then you should have attended classes, you might have learn something. If in fact you have a degree in economics, then you should be able to understand the impact and the burden to the REAL taxpayers of MD this would cause. We already pay $1.9Billion in taxes that go to subsidies for illegals in MD for food, clothing, education, housing, medical, cable TV and big screen TV's, etc I know and am friends with people who are here illegally and have told me how they get their money to live without working. I also have friends that are here legally and have become citizens and they do not like those here illegally and how they get freebees from MD.

LOL, dumbest comment ever. FIFA is "living off the dole" so unlike you, apparently, he's never been to a financial aid office?! Do you not understand what financial aid means??? Hilarious!

You are more ignorant than I ever thought! The DREAM Act fills empty chairs at the community colleges thus a net plus for any dollars they can get.

Fool, I sign the front of paychecks and if I had an employee like you, I made a mistake in the hiring process. Unlike you who lives off of government subsidized payments and complains they don't feed you enough.

FIFA, if you actually sign the front of paychecks then you are more of a fool then what you show in your posts. Have fun paying higher taxes in MD if you own a business, since MD is one of the least friendly palces for businesses. Also, have fun trying to make payrolls in the future when the OWEalley tax increases really start to hit your "bottom line"...then your tune will chance. That is if you really own a business. I feel bad for those working for you, they will be out of work soon also, since many companies and jobs are being lost in MD.

The old "Illegal is Illegal" canard is getting a little old.

Escargot, we are talking about instate tuition for undocumented students not out of state students.

Let's see MORON comes to mind. Towson U. Failed you.

FIFA likes to call people names when he is losing.

OT - you and loser are peas in a pod. You IQ is only exceeded by your age.

It is illegal to drive over 55mph on most highways, yet routinely millions of citizens break this law. Surely we must put an end to this massive injustice towards public safety and civic order. Illegal is Illegal.

Also, and it pains me greatly to admit this to you all, but in a moment of weakness, I made the choice to deliberately cross the street where there was no intersection or crosswalk. Illegal is Illegal.

Did Steve really say "we are talking about instate tuition for undocumented students not out of state students"? Do you really believe that someone who is in this state illegally, no matter how long, is not an out of state student? Semantics don't work here.

and Stevie boy, and dumb is dumb or is it that you are just "stuck on stupid"...sorry to use a democrat term but in this case it fits.

Snail man, always looking for more work.

How about you and your government subsidized job? You complain, but you take the money. The hypocrite jar has room for you. Oh, you're already in it.

That is one of the dumbest things I ever read. We are talking about students here not "child rapists" and "drunk driver".

It looks like that degree in Drama is really working for you.

Escariot, you want to personalize this, but I'm not going to play that game.

The SCOTUS ruling from a few weeks ago that struck down Arizona's SB 1070 made it clear that immigration law violations are a civil matter, not a criminal one. No one is going to argue that a Maryland kid shouldn't get in-state tuition at a Maryland public university because his parents racked up a bunch of parking tickets, or operated a business without the proper license.

Or, even if for the sake of argument we pretended that immigration law violations are just the same as whatever horrendous crimes you want to imagine, no one is going to argue that the Maryland children of those who committed those crimes should be denied Maryland in-state tuition because of their parents' crimes. It doesn't work that way and never has.

The snail is a fool, goes best with brown garlic sauce!! Probably makes the snail ill!

You wish. I don't get subsidies like you, not that there is anything wrong with that, except you bite the hand that feeds you.

You are right - the law is the law until November. You vote your conscious and I will vote mine. I fully expect that that come November, this law will rightfully go away.

Fifa, when did Escariot become escargot? Just curious...

The transformation occurred right around the same time he became a Birther.

Andrea, you need to learn more about tax laws, such as how many people actually pay taxes once all the deductions & credits, including the earned income credit, are taken. Just because employers deduct taxes doesn't mean they aren't ultimately all refunded to the employees after the tax return is filed.

The Dream Act is not fair to anyone except the illegal aliens - we'll disagree on this one.

Your facts are all from groups in favor of the Dream Act & thus spun to suit their agenda. Try getting some from sources opposed to the Act. I didn't attend the meetings you reference, but I did check out the website for Educating Maryland Kids to see if they could change my opinion; they did not. I'm sure the TESOL group is in favor of the Act given the nature of their work & I know about the Industrial Area Foundations and saw no reason to seek out their material.

Ethnic origin DOES play into college acceptance & if you don't know that, you are unfamiliar with the current "diversity" movement on most college campuses. There may not be official quotas but there are definitely goals for having a diverse student body. I'm not saying that is right or wrong; I'm simply saying "it is". Don't believe me? Go to the home page of any public college or university and enter the word "diversity" in the search box. You might find a couple where you don't get multiple hits, but for most schools you will get a plethora of articles and probably a link to the "Office of Diversity".

"Poverty Credit" is applied when an individual's/family's income is so low they qualify for a full tax refund -- this applies to all low wage earners, regardless of race. And I'm fully aware of diversity movements on campuses because I am currently in the throes of a college hunt with my own child, north and south, coast to coast. My child will undoubtedly be denied admission to certain colleges for various reasons, and I don't begrudge accepted students and blame them and their families for my child's denial. Diversity is a buzzword that means many things other than race. My point is that my whiteness (and the previous author's) does not ensure me favor in society -- I am not entitled to any more or subjected to any less because of my light-colored skin. But what I will always support is providing opportunity to members of my community who have the cards stacked against them.

Paul, I'm an interested and concerned citizen, just like you (presumably). I also don't like to mislead people by pointing out the "other" taxes that people pay when the bill in question requires only that the parents FILE a Maryland tax return, not have taxes withheld or ultimately paid. http://mlis.state.md.us/2011rs/chapters_noln/Ch_191_sb0167E.pdf - check pages 3 and 4. I believe this is the final language in the bill that was passed and signed by the governor.

Nice little diversion there on the taxes that other people pay - if you don't have a valid, sustainable argument, divert attention. Good try, too bad it didn't work.

Paul, you said "A tax system where a presidential candidate who makes $20+ million a year can take advantage of tax laws passed to benefit the wealthy and only pay a 14% federal income tax rate has something very wrong with it."
To me, that means he paid about $3,000,000 in Federal Taxes. (Probably more than Obama.)
Some say "Fair Share". I say "Enough is Enough".

Romney made more money because he has had real jobs. Obama never has. Romney takes advantage of legal tax laws. Why is that wrong? Maybe Romney has Swiss bank accounts and offshore IRA's because they offer better returns. It would be stupid to not find the best return for your money. Don't you? You said you are a CPA. Don't you have a responsibility to help people save money on taxes and invest wisely? And, again, Romney paid $3,000,000 in Federal Taxes. Three million dollars!!

well, when you have someone like Mitt Romney who PAYS his taxes on earned income and dividends,etc vs an illegal who is NOT supposed to be working legally in the USA but collects money from places like MD, that illegal does not pay earned income tax because they are geting that money illegally (as per all the crimes against the people of MD by the dems in MD). Now paying sales tax does not count. Quit trying to spin the facts. All I know is almost $2B/yr goes to illegals in MD. Can't you get that fact through your head. Cross the river into mexico illegally and demand an entitlement, see where that lands you...a nice mexican jail.

The point of encouraging individuals to go through college is to grant them access to higher paying jobs over the course of their lifetime, contributing more in taxes than what is originally put in. http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/moneymatters/a/edandearnings.htm

And again, as Andrea pointed out, these are people that have proven they can succeed by obtaining an associates degree by attending community college for two years. None of them are granted direct admittance to a four year university.

As I say below: where will they get these higher paying jobs? It's illegal for USA employers to hire illegals, no matter how educated.

Sometimes it's just a matter of doing the right thing no matter how few people it affects.

Loving people bring 14 inch pizzas to 700lb people loved ones who are basically welded to their mattress, thinking it's the compassionate 'right thing' to do, but in the long run is just the opposite. The fact is you can't buy the world a Coke, though it made a bunch of hippys feel good thinking about it.

But we can show our manly ways by bombing the heck out of them.

Steve, what are you some kinda idiot??? oh wait, you are. MAJORITY rules and the people of MD get to vote and NOT have the spoiled liitle brat liberals in MD legislature tell us what we should or should not do, If you need the government to tell you what to do then go to Cuba, it is not ging to happen here. You people will not be empowered any longer when the guy in the white house is sent packing in Nov.

....I hope some day you'll join us, and the world will be as one.

Have you ever been to the Statue of Liberty? What does it say?

Crayon John, must be big crayons the way you wail.

To answer your question, you.

Have a nice day.

First you guys complain about people getting welfare who don't want to work.

Then you complain about guys begging to work.

Which is it?

First of all, where do you get these statistics? Sound made up to me. Secondly, even if only a civil penalty, still ILLEGAL.

We don't want them locked up (criminal). We want them deported.

no problem with those who follow the rules. So all you libs now condone criminal activity? It must be since you keep voting for criminals like OWEmalley, Mikulski, Cardin, Van Hollen and all the other dems running the henhouse.

I have said this before, and I am not quite sure why people don't get it. After the illegal aliens get their college degrees, where will they work? It is against Federal law for any company to hire them.
Why should we pay to educate them if they must go back to the country of their citizenship to work?

Obviously you missed the part about the Path to Citizenship.

White Pride is a slogan adopted by neo-Nazi and white supremacist organizations such as Aryan Nation. I'm not sure how denying association with that term makes me a racist but think of me what you will.

Their parents should sue OWEmalley and the republic of MD for in state tuition.

New Jersey is very close to getting it's very own DREAM Act.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/07/state_legislature_wants_immigr.html

stevie, again it is the dumbocraps proposing to take more tax dollars to pay for illegals. The majority posting are against it.

No Paul, or is it Saul (alinsky) wannabe. I call it like it is and what it is. I don't beat around the bush, I put the facts out there, maybe you should read some of the info instead of trying to be a "good little paryt member". You leftists are the ones that like to put people in categories, I am doing the same here, not calling anyone names. All the categories seem to fit. You just don't like the facts that I give becuse the truth hurts and I bet you are squirming in your seat right about now...it is fun to watch you people squirm. I have called quite a few right to their face, i don't have to do it from the shadows and i was the one still standing.

nice try again Saul...and my neighbors are tired of seeing their taxes being raised and paying for this crap...

Interesting to see you call people who disagree with you "nutjobs" and "jackasses" in one post, and then reply to your own post a few hours later by saying "I am...not calling anyone names." Maybe you should re-read your own posts before making that claim. If you want to claim the high road, you have to actually walk on it.

Yes it has. And it's always the same few juveniles name calling. These guys should just meet up at a local pub for a couple of beers or a nearby hooka bar to smoke a few dubbies with each other. They may come to some more peaceful adult argeements.

PA, your comments are dumb at best. Read what I wrote. MD dems wants to foot the bill even if an illegal jumps the fence, comes to MD and wants to go to college, without having to pay any taxes. Now I made it more of an elementry school level statement for you to understand. If you cannot understand, I will try to even lower myself to your kindergarten level mentality.

Hey Saul Alinsy, opps sorry Paul see your are getting your panties all wadded up because you have been "outed"..I have posted the &1.9B in MD alone numerous times. Go read it.

Paul Amirault, the self appointed Language Nazi is here to show us all how superior in typing he is.

Paul Amirault, you stated a falsehood and now you attack typos because you were wrong?
You stated "The only request is if you pay taxes to Maryland" and I pointed out that that is NOT what the law say and you can't admit you were wrong even without typos. Admit you were wrong and finally be a man.

Paul, you make typos yourself, so don't be so quick to judge.
If you include sales tax, then you are correct, everyone pays taxes. But as I'm sure you know, lots of people pay no income tax, and some even get Earned Income Tax refunds while paying no income taxes.

@Frank, yes I did and maybe you need to take yours also.

That's why they have such things as "instate" tuition and "out of state" tuition.

I did not really think you would understand because you libtards only see what you believe. You would NOT recognize the truth if it hit you in the hole in your head where they suck out 98% of your grey matter when you join the dumbocrap party. You are a bunch of wannbees, hacks and has beens defending the corrupt democrap party in MD. Noone really agrees with your stupid comments, I just see you bottom feeders living off each other.

Tim, many marylanders are tired of paying higher taxes and getting less in services. These people that continue to live in FAIRYland think they are "entitled" to other peoples' wealth. They continue to post on here defending the corruption of the democraps in MD, their crimes against the people, their "behind closed door" special interest deals (locking out over half of the population in MD and NOT giving us a vote and so on. They seem to want more and more handouts from the government because they are haters and takers, they cannot do nor think for themselves. They hate people who work hard for a living and make a nice income for their family to have a better than average life, because they are too STUPID to be able to do just that. You know their cheif nutjob in the white house just stated all of that Obama's remarks: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." What an idiot, no wonder these people think this way. @Steve, you are an idiot, nice typical comeback from a libtard. (hmmm, I think i will add that one to my categories to describe you people since you have already locked up the race, sexual orientation, gender categories)

Lookie here, a moron.

FAIRYland, democraps, NOT, haters and takers, STUPID, cheif nutjob, idiot, libtard.

That's a good dictionary you got.

I think you need to add some Old Bay to that beverage. Hah.

FIFA, thats right. I don't use the categories that you people on the left use because you seem to have cornered the market on the terms like , racist, bigot, nazi, race, gender, sexaul orientation... I like the ones I use better because it puts you people in a category that is suited for your mentality, level of intellect, the false comments, total disregard of the facts and figures. Bottom line, We are tired of paying higher taxes especailly for those who think they are entitled just because they came here by jumping the fence, no matter wherre they came from. If they want to go to college in MD and pay full price that is fine, no more gimmes or handouts http://www.fairus.org/news/report-finds-high-cost-for-maryland-from-illegal-immigration

I have been on that website before. It is a bunch of socialists that are trying to undermine the government in the USA and start a revolution from within. Members of this group have been to the socialist meeting in Venezuala, by invitation of Hugo Chavez. One is in our backyard, the founder of Casa of MD Gustavo Torres. He was a highligted speaker at one of them, as you can see from the socialist communication THE MILITANT. But then again, I am sure you get this newsletter since you are a card carrying socialist. Torres was with some of his favorite "comrads". Part of their plan is to sign up illegals to vote in our elections also, which they did for the 2008 election. Get the facts instead of showing the world how much of a fool you are, have some respect for yourself. http://themilitant.com/2007/7145/714503.html

If it's not about racism then why is every anti DREAM Act rally almost exclusively attended by bitter, old white people?

You've been to them all? Or is that just a racist presumption?

Steve, it sounds like you are a racist, among other things. It is about our taxes being misappropriated by the corrupt dems in MD. You will maybe get it one day when you get off of the gvmt payroll, grow up and be a big boy, have a REAL job, a REAL family (which I hope you do not procreate, we do no need more from the bottom of the gene pool) and have 70% of your income (to put it in terms that you might be able to understand, that is $.70 of every $1.00 you make) going to the government. And get out of your fantasy world. Ask you doctor to increase your HALDOL or whatever you take for your psychosis treatment.

Steve,

There is nothing wrong with being White.

Or old...

JD1....we are all kids of WWII vets who worked their asses off. Nothing was handed to them and they worked two jobs to send most of us to college. AMEN

Sorry, Steve. There's no canned response to that in their talking points, so they just ignore that tiny little factoid.

50% of them didn't enter the country illegally.

http://pewhispanic.org/files/factsheets/19.pdf

......and for the umpteenth time (no matter what your Teabagger talking point Memos say) it doesn't cost the taxpayers anything.

Steve, you are talking to a Birther in John, he wants to send the President to Kenya.

Can Paul, Steve, and FIFA please answer John's questions without name calling?

jnrentz1 - you asked nicely and I'll be glad to repeat previous posts made by numerous DREAM act supporters.

First though, I have a real problem responding to anyone that is a Birther (that is not name calling, it is a person that believes President Obama was not born in Hawaii). John's irrational thought process that arrived at his Birther beliefs results in my giving him zero credibility on any other political issue.

That said, supporters have absolutely no problem allowing students in-state tuition rates for numerous reasons:

1) the students came here because there parents forced them, some were infants.
2) the students must enroll in a community college first and complete 60 hours prior to attending a four year school. Thus they would transfer as a junior subject to the same entry standards as anyone else. For the most part, junior transfer openings exist at almost all 4 year colleges.
3) No different than other people, they must prove their "residency" in the state by parents filing 3 years of income tax returns.
... continued

... continued

4) There is no cost to taxpayers. Opponents like to measure the difference between in-state and out-of-state rates and multiply that by the proposed number of students to come up with a cost. However, community colleges and four year colleges have empty seats, thus any money paid by these students is extra revenue with very minimal cost. If forced to pay out-of-state rates many students will not be able to afford college and not go.
5) Their parents pay gas taxes, sales taxes, and many other fees and costs.
6) If they have not filed tax returns they don't get the in-state rate.
7) The realists understand that the choice to send back 11 million people to wherever is not a choice at all, it is not going to happen no matter how much they wish for it.
8) So our choice is simple, encourage education or discourage education, I'm for education.

So jnrentz1 - there you go - now duck as the spears have been launched and headed this way :-)

PS jnrentz - now count the number of times the word "illegal" will be used in the replies.

It took Obama 3 years to produce a birth certificate, but since Romney will only show one year's tax returns, he is the bad guy?

Other Tim, that is just false and you know it. Obama provided the certificate that every other Hawaii born citizen provides for everything. That wasn't good enough for the likes of you and Trump. That is old fashioned BS and I'll call you out for it every time.

People like you want a person to show an ID to vote, but don't want Romney to show tax returns? You are a pathetic hypocrite. One vote versus President of the US. Go away into your Birther Cave. You are a simpleton.

Again with the name calling. Guess that proves you are wrong.

Lying and misleading makes you a simpleton, your failure to acknowledge your lies is simply pathetic. Really makes it difficult for you when someone has facts to dispute your lies.

No, I consider Birthers idiots, that's all.

Sher Katz, I encourage you to read the law and also look at the below interview for more information regarding the tax regulations. There are strict requirements to ensure that this isn't people who aren't contributing their share of taxes.

The bill as passed (PDF is linked from there): http://mlis.state.md.us/2011rs/billfile/SB0167.htm

"Well, this bill allows students who attended Maryland high schools for three years and whose parents are guardians or they themselves pay taxes for three years to attend our higher institutions at an in-state rate. But we did do a few things. First, you have to go to community college for two years before attending a four year school. And throughout that time, you have to pay taxes." Anne Kaiser, Maryland State Delegate (D-Montgomery County)

Source: http://thekojonnamdishow.org/shows/2012-01-23/maryland-dream-act/transcript

Which is exactly what the DREAM Act is meant to accomplish, although it adds additional restrictions to the children of undocumented immigrants that don't apply to the rest of us. (e.g. the requirement that they attend community college for two years first.)

and the dems support it wholeheartedly. The MoCo county council for one has mandated in following it. We know how corrupt and misguided the dems are in MoCo. It is a known fact, just that the people that vote for them are too blind to see, because they only see what they believe.

Ah yes another Military veteran hater who couldn't be bothered to read the actual law. If you had you would have noticed the first sentence in the law (which is usually the most important) reads:

"Extending the period within which an honorably discharged veteran must present evidence to qualify for a resident tuition rate; ........"

So pople who support veterans and veterans benefits are now "A@#WIPeS" and "SH@#paper". That says a lot about your character. If you hate this country and it's veterans this much why don't you move......

Anyone that is a Birther like you John, has already shown the intellectual capacity of a Dopefish, that is you John the Birther. Your opinions as such are similar to cow pies, they just lay there, smell, and look stupid.

small k kevin, see below. Answer the question. There is no over limit for Birthers, they are idiots.

PS - all of the the above are not name calling as they ae accurate. If I called you rational and logical, that would be name calling because it would be false. Understand Englsh Other Tim?

I believe you have not said an intelligent thing on this post in a couple of days.
I believe you resort to name calling because you don't know what else to say when losing a debate, and feel backed into a corner.
I believe you are the one who said that I was a "birther". I never said that. All I said was "It took Obama 3 years to produce a birth certificate". I just do not understand why it took him so long to put the rumor to rest.
I believe he is a natural born American citizen, since he did finally produce it.
I believe that illegal aliens are not entitled to any of the benefits that US citizens and legal immigrants enjoy, whether they snuck in yesterday, or were brought here illegally 18 years ago by their parents.
I really, truly believe that this will not satisfy you, and fully expect more of your name calling.

I believe you are foolish and all now have seen same. Others may decide.

PS - you also believe the man in the magic underwear will save us all. Mr. Etch-a-Sketch. Hooray!

Did you click on the right link cuz I never saw such a think unless you don't have an open mind and blind to history? With a few hundred years of family being Roman Catholic then the American Catholic . First point you failed was the disclaimer 2nd it has nothing to do with Religion Period!.+ twisting it to your benefit proves the point. CONNECT THE DOTS REPEAT- CONNECT THE DOTS You need to separate the two, a good hint: what is white is black, what is black is white NO religion involved at all GET IT! Get past what they hide behind but pure actions speak volumes Oh and I said open mind? open minds ask questions seeking truth! The S.S. organization had been constituted, by Himmler, according to the principles of the Jesuits' Order.I guess you never talked to a survivor the choice to become catholic or die. I'm sorry but its the truth not of my reading but knowing the people who survived. God, Jesus is of love and nature. not an military order. belief in God is important for a society to live together as he intended. with freedom he endowed to us. Go ahead take your shots at me call me crazy. but for the few that seek truth can connect the dots LOOK farther then just the surface.Its True about NWO but not whom your told was behind it. Geo.Washington was against it but its up to us not to be blinded and let all those lives over the 200 yrs be in vain I'm a tired ole man that knows too much from experiences of life.a failure to learn from the past? good night and God bless

"It's a crap hand to be dealt in life, but as slow and incredibly asinine as the system may be, there are ways to change your status and those should be sought before a person can receive the same rights and benefits as a citizen."

Just so we're clear - they are not receiving "the same rights and benefits as a citizen" in the case of the Maryland DREAM Act. In fact, they are receiving distinctly lesser rights because, unlike typical Maryland student citizens, they are forced to undergo far more stringent requirements. Some of those requirements include the student and the parents submitting tax returns, the student attending community college first, and the student obtaining an Associates degree. A regular citizen of Maryland has none of those requirements.

As for constitutionality, I'm curious which specific section you would point to that bars a state's citizen's from changing tuition requirements for students.

I do agree with your opinions (or rather, direct observations of truth?) as to the level of discourse in this thread.

Damien, That's going to be lost here, just like in Washington DC.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that this is a complex issue that "deserves real analysis and mature discussion." Sadly, I think that's too much to hope for on Patch. It's like a train wreck here -- I don't know why I keep allowing myself to be sucked in.

@Michael Brown US NATIONAL ARCHIVES
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Stevie boy, "Maryland doesn't payout $1.9 Billion to "illegals". Not even remotely close. Thats another one of the falsehoods floated by the Hate Cult."
Looks like yet another statement from you foolish and ill informed left wingers. Funny how you continually make yourself and others like you look like fools, because you are NOT armed with any facts, just spew hatred and lies. Have some respect for yourself. Get a life. once again you have shown your ignorance to the facts. It is a KNOWN fact that almost $2Billion is spent on illegls in MD on housing, food, healthcare, education, and all other costs. I know people that are here illegally and get funding, but we are not supposed to know that, the dems try to hide it. Just look how much casa of md gets from the taxpayers. there is a start. They get it from MoCo, mikulski, Cardin, van hollen and the democrat legislators in MD. Again, it is a KNOWN FACT,

I have noticed that if you use words like "KNOWN" and "KNOWN FACT" they must be true apparently. I think it is the all caps that does it.

Frank and FIFA, yeah see you have no facts once again. Don't you just hate it when the truth comes out and you people are there looking like "deer in the headlights". Fools.

But if you listen to FIFA he clearly points out this only deals with only around 60 to 70 students so why is $12 million inexpensive? If FIFA is telling us the truth wouldn't it be better to hire these 60 students and just give them $100,000 jobs doing nothing but writing pro Dream and Democratic blogs ? We'd save $6 million and since they are uneducated and don't speak English maybe they could give us a more intelligent defense of the act than Steve O'Malley and FIFA.

Michael Brown:

I read in your comment:: "But even if racism is their motivation, as the link provided by Steve indicates, the information provided is useful."

Do you have an opinion on the group La Raza? Do you consider La Raza to be racist?

Michael, it is a well known fact that in MoCo, they have been supporting illegals for years. I don't nkow how you came up with the "racism" factor, unless you believe what the left wing nutjobs throw out there, but racism has NOTHING to do with it. I know people here illegally and they get ALL "freebees". One woman who I totally adore and her daughter and my daughter are good friends, has been here now for 16 yrs illegally. She does not work legally (10 hrs a week or so cleaning houses for a couple of people and gets paid under the table), has 3 children and a nephew. She told me she gets her townhouse, health needs, welfare for food, the kids get reduced meals at school, utilities all paid for by Montgomery County. Hell, she even has cablevision and had a HDTV 5 yrs before I bought one. She pays for the cable and bought the TV on the wefare money she gets. NOW IS THAT FAIR TO ANY MD TAXPAYER WORKING HARD EVERY DAY AT A FULL TIME JOB? If you think it is, then maybe you need to move to Greece or Spain or Venezuala and get their socialist handouts.

Stevieboy, I have posted the info, you are just too dumb and lazy to read it. All you want to post is socialist blogs that have no fact and loaded with false info. What I do know is that you continue to make yourself look like a fool and have NO respect for yourself. Guess you are another one that gets his rocks off at being humiliated.

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis .gov is what you may want....Maybe not?

Steve, I read the "FAIR" report and yes it has several poorly supported assumptions throughout. But the basic logic provided is sound. It is saying that if our past immigration control had been perfect so that there were no illegal immigrants, we would not be paying $1.9 billion annually for the support of illegal immigrants or their children. That is indisputable, if there were no illegal immigrants, there would be no children, etc., etc. But it does not address the reality that exists. Immigration control and border security will never be perfect, so how do you address the status quo? This is a question that every nation addresses on a regular basis. Most civilized nations seem to address it differently than those less civilized.

We are not paying $1.9 Billion. It's a fabricated number.

Steve

4:20 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012

We are not paying $1.9 Billion. It's a fabricated number.
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Steve,

What is the correct cost?

jnrentz1, presume the FAIR number is 100% accurate. That number is 1/20 of 1% of the entire federal annual expenditures. Why is so much noise made about such an insignificant number. I propose the answer is self-evident.

FIFA "That number is 1/20 of 1% of the entire federal annual expenditures. Why is so much noise made about such an insignificant number. I propose the answer is self-evident."
Looks like you had your kool-aide today... We are talking about $1.9B to taxpayers in MD. Again, you people give don't have a clue. That is $1.9B taxpayers dollars taken from ALL taxpayers in MD. Multiply that out by 50 states, The number has been going up year after year. Get the facts before you make yourself out as a fool. Have some respect for yourself. The USA ALREADY sends BILLIONS (our taxdollars, not Obamas money, which some of you probably think that) in foreign aide to countries, why should we be supporting them being here illegally? If you people earn an income and want to give your money to them fine, but i am sick and tired of paying more in taxes and getting less in services that I am paying for. Bottom line ALL taxpayers are getting ripped off, even you loser dems, who just don't get it.

oh FIFA, don't try to "spin" my words and facts, you will lose every time. BTW, you talk "big" saying you have a "carry" permit.... people like you are ALL talk. I have sen more and experienced more by the time I was 23 and in the Army during Vietnam, then you ever will in your lifetime. pissant.

Steve, you have no clue. You post a website that tries to spin the facts and the figures. Call Pat McDonoughs' office and he will give you the numbers. $1.9B is the right number.

Some of us Dreamers have carry permits also, but first let me get my 100 round clip and bring 6,000 rounds of ammunition with me.

They wouldn't give me the permit for the 50 cal machine gun though, dang it.

You are welcome.

Thank you for your response. La Raza or "The Race," has been representing Latinos for some years now, advocating on behalf of that population group. La Raza supports programs that seek the betterment of Latinos. I am suspicious of groups that advocate on behalf of an identifiable group based on race, and/or ethnicity.

The snail awakes, a Birther himself. The only thing lower than a Birther is one who collects payments from the government for cancer screenings and then complains about getting paid. The Snail.

FIFA, you were being so good.

OT, you get what you tolerate, I don't tolerate the snail, goes back any moons,see who posted junk first? It did.

Escariot, they (dems) are morons. They cannot think for themselves, just look at the rediculous comments they post here. The LOVE to put people into categories but don't like the categories I put them in. I think the categories I use are more appropriate, descriptive and specific. Not general terms that they use. Lets see how this gets their "panties all wadded up"

Stevie, tell the like od Leggett, your village idiot brother OWEmalley and the likes, that they are birthers also. They are the ones pushing for for this UN action plan. You don't even know what it is. See how you make a fool of yourself every time you post something. I feel sorry for you because you have NO respect whatsoever for yourself. You are SOOOOOOO stuck on stupid it is unreal. Maybe you need to get your meds increased also when Stevie goes to see his "shrink"

Hey I got a great idea! Lets spend $30k of the taxpayers money to fly in a phony English Lord to explain what this vast UN conspiracy is all about!

Mr. Brown, your Utopia ignores the simple fact that most humans behave like tribes. We are descendant from animals although we are more vicious. We kill indiscriminately. We hate those unlike us. The big difference between animals, is many humans believe in an almighty being. The animals don't. Funny contradiction. But then again, maybe the bunny believes in an Easter Bunny.,

That lawsuit was dismissed and never heard before a court. Pointing to it as if a court gave any legitimacy to the claims contained within the suit is absurd, as they in fact did no such thing:

"We therefore find that Plaintiff’s attempt to use these statutes to gain standing to
pursue his Natural Born Citizen Clause claim are frivolous and not worthy of discussion."

http://www.paed.uscourts.gov/documents/opinions/08D1256P.pdf
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Escariot, I don't understand the point you're trying to make. There was a law suit filed in court in 2008, it was dismissed. It was filed by the same person who filed suits against President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, claiming they knew about the Sept. 11, 2001 prior to the attack. There are many frivolous lawsuits filed regularly. The fact that it was filed by H. Clinton's former attorney appears to be more about a grudge than anything else. I don't understand how this is an issue here. Also having questions about Obama's birthplace may have been appropriate at one time, but when even the State of Hawaii has confirmed multiple times his birth there, then believing the opposite does open one to some derision. The same derision I hold for anyone believing that President Bush knew that the Twin Towers were going to be attacked. Doesn't make them bad people, just something is not right with them.

Illegals do the jobs Americans "won't do" because illegals don't care for humanitarian things like...benefits.

See, in the end, its all about business greed. Businesses in general could give a flying f*** about their employees. It's only when it makes them money do they care.

It's why they pay slave labor in third world country, pay 50 cents to make a pair of 100 dollar sneakers.

Don't worry though, Big Oil's making money hand over fist. They always do.

Tim, you make NO sense whatsoever. Tell your psych that your delusions of grandeur have been occuring more often and to increase your meds. It is NOT about businesses, it is about ALL taxpayers in MD paying for illegals to be here. One day you will be a big boy (or girl if you change your gender, well if you really are a boy) and you just might get the picture, when you are paying $.70 on every dollar you earn to the government, just like they do in socialized societies in Europe.

@Frank, I rest my case...you have managed to make yourself out to be a fool once again, with your richard cranium like statement. I bet you get your "rocks" off thinking you are smart... Guess you have not taken your meds yet either.

Saying a lawsuit took place because one was filed and dismissed is like saying a party occurred just because you sent out invitations but then cancelled it.

Also, that's not how set theory works; you can think some democrats are imbecilic who are birthers without implicating all democrats. For your logic to work someone would have had to say all republicans were "morons" because some birthers were republican. Maybe someone did, this thread is ungodly long, but I must have missed that.

Corbin Dallas Multipass, why would you ever think it appropriate to bring up set theory in this forum? To appeal that fundamental principles of logic be used is probably to much to ask. For some people all Democrats are the same others feel likewise about Republicans. Clearly, you are not going to change that basic "them and us" paranoia.

@Frank, typical, you mouth off without even looking at what this was. Oh and your cooment that you took down, I guess you realized all that you put on there was how the dems were and are the true racists. that is why many blacks are leaving the party also. They are finding out how you people like to control them and they want no parts of it.

Frank, you are such a nitwit. Oh yeah, you ask about how many blacks are leaving the dem party, I could care less. The big question is, how many are NOT falling for the Bullcrap you libtards come up with. Ask how many of the 15% of unemployed blacks or 50 to 60% black youth are unemployed under nobammies watch? Better yet, ask all the blacks in DC who want to have their children go to charter schools and get vouchers, when Nobama admin stabbed them in the back not allowing them school vouchers. You people would not even know the facts, figures and truth if it hit you right between the eyes, as I do. Everyone go see this movie. Call Pat Mcdonoughs' office if you want the REAL TRUTH, these guys here, Frank, FIFA (you can tell he is a illegal), jag(off), Michael B and others http://www.theycometoamerica.com/

Why the party is cancelled isn't important silly.

Please show something that links Berg "directly to the camp of Hillary Clinton". Even conservapedia only lists him as just a supporter: http://conservapedia.com/Phillip_Berg

The Snail speaketh more lies.

A Birther is one, who still today, believes our President was not born in Hawaii. I present to you The Snail. His best buddy in life is Orly Taitz, Queen of Birthers.

The problem The Snail as a Birther has is that it loses credibility in everything else it crawls under. As long as it is a Birther it will be identified as such, the label sticks.

PS Snail - you are in a hole for all to see, stop digging, you are not getting out so easily.

Escariot is correct in repeating the reason why the law suit was dismissed. Lack of jurisdiction does not address the "merits" of the original lawsuit. However, the confirmation by the State of Hawaii that Obama was indeed born there does directly address the issue. There is no merit in the ascertion that Obama was not born in the U.S. At that point the issue should have gone away. Unfortunately, the conspiricists are attracted to it like a magnet. I appreciate Frank's clarification that the attorney was not in the employ of H. Clinton. I should have recalled the Washington Times article that B Allen kindly provided that clearly indicated Mr. Berg was only a supporter. Escariot's lecture about the real world has a ring of truth to. People do judge the whole based on the actions of one. Note how the unthinking actions of a few marines urinating on their dead enemy bodies caused many unthinking people to judge our entire military presence as having the same level of disrespect. The same thing happened with the unfortunate and accidental burning of the Quran in Afghanistan. Ignorant people tend to judge our entire military, all Democrats, all Republicans, etc., etc. on the actions of a few morons. It is nearly impossible to educate people to look beyond the few but obvious morons when they prefer to remain ignorant.

Another denizen of "rainbow world" rearing its ugly head. Gee mister brown, maryland is known as a "sanctuary state" because: A) It works closely with ICE and homeland security to deport all known illegals B) it only deports violent criminals and ignores all other illegals C) it actively engages in checking the citizenship status of those in question during traffic stops or complaints D) there is a process actively engaged in reporting non-citizens so that they can be deported. In your rainbow world mister brown telling an illegal how they are breaking the law will make them magically deport themselves instead of taking advantage of the sanctuary state here in maryland.

MB don't try to spin it. You are way off base, but in your little peabrain along with your circle jerk buddies, you think you have it right. You people are so misguided. You make fools of yourself every time you post something here. No wonder your ignorant leader make the statement about businesses not building it themselves. You dumbshits actually believe that? What idiots you are, ask Steve Jobs (oh wait you can't) well then ask Steve W. if Steve had the government build his business for him. Ask Bill Gates if the government helped him with his code when creating Microsoft, I think not. Why are most of the countries you mentioned broke? You did not mention Greece, Spain, Portugal, etc because their socialist makeup if bankrupting them. Get a life. You libtards just don't get it. @Frank, once again you make a nitwit statement and make a fool of yourself. You are such a horses ass thinking I have worked for the gvmt or a contractor? Never have, never will. Free market, capitalist business owner and job creator here, without ANY money from the government, built the business on my own dime. You people are just jealous because you are incapapble of doing something like that.

Escariot, please provide the source for your assertion. I too am interested in these legal fees you speak of. I am also interested in any documentation of any efforts to keep these records from being accessed. Also, I am interested in whether anybody's records can be easily accessed, including social security information. Its bad enough that the government has this private information, I didn't know that we needed to hire attorneys to protect it from public view.

Actually it is true. The cost alone for jimmy obama having all his college records including thesis papers along with grade school records is in the millions. Lastly, Romney reported 20 years of returns to McCain when vetted as a vp candidate. Who has Obama released his records to?

Reporting to McCain, huh, and he didn't get picked either, you got the other winner, remember. Forgetful Snail.

Obama has been vetted, it is done, over with, final,etc. Romney has not. Let go of the banana.

How does Romney giving McCain 20 years of tax returns and then McCain selecting a truly embarrassing candidate (Palin) OVER Romney prove something positive about Romney's tax returns? We all know why they're being withheld. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out. What on earth are you rambling about Obama's homework for? WTF do you want to know about his "grade school records" for? You want to know how well he did in P.E. in the 2nd grade? That's how desperate you are for some dirt on the guy or are you just obsessed with him?

So why was the Berg lawsuit passed on to the supreme court to decide if they wanted to take the case? If it had no merit, no supreme court justice would have put it before the court, but one did. Lastly, the question you should be asking is not why i would want to look at someone's grade school records, but why would a person pay money to have them legally sealed, which he did. HMMMMM.

Perhaps the folks you hang around with think you are "so smart", but you are nuts.

Do you really think we are so ignorant to fall for your pathetic reasoning? I guess so. In this country you can appeal until the SCOTUS turns you down. Not a single case was won by the Birthers, but they spent money for appeals and appeals and appeals.

Crawl back in your shell, you are not fooling us.

Still waiting for answers on Romney. Why did he pay tens of millions of dollars to hide money in Swiss bank accounts and the Cayman Islands? Why have we not seen his tax returns. He wants voters to show ID but doesn't want to show us his tax returns and he wants to be President.

I have tired of talking to a Snail, my chair is more interesting, it is never wrong either but at least doesn't talk.

Why did Obama pay millions of dollars to hide his P.E. grade from elementary school? That's obvious. It's because he sucks at jump rope and he's really, really embarrassed about it. Or, you know, it's 1 of 10,000 B.S. claims that have come out of Donald Trump's mouth in the last few years and only the dumbest of people give it any credence at all. I mean you honestly can't think there's even a sliver of truth to the conspiracy claims out there, right? You realize there's a reason only wackjob blogs even have a mention of the claim, right? I hadn't even heard of this school nonsense before an hour ago (and I'm fairly obsessed with politics, even for an inside the beltway-er), that's how little traction it has. So sad this is what the far right is reduced to. At least claiming he's from Africa or is a socialist or a racist or whatever has some sensationalist interest. Millions of dollars to hide school records? That's just a boring conspiracy theory, especially compared to all the really wackjob ones that have come up the past few years.

Not all of your school records are sealed. Your financial aid information, your papers and thesis, your roommates, and even the activities and clubs you joined are not covered under the federal law that protects transcripts. If you ever have time go to the fec website and look at the payments payed by Barack to attorneys to keep records sealed. You can also look up the lawsuits mister brown where those exact records were requested in the lawsuit.

Just think B Allen, right now Steve O'Malley is on the conference phone call to fifa and jag and frank to go out and blog and post the liberal viewpoint. Maybe that is why fifa never has anything original or truthful to say. Maybe fifa and steve o' malley are waiting to be the first couple married under the new law if it passes.

I am sure these "richard craniums" get their goose step marching orders from their comrads. Good little water carriers, but they continue to mke themselves look like fools. BTW, I was thinking the same thing that these guys are hoping that the "marriage" law gets passed. If it does, which i doubt if it will since MANY dems are against it, they don't realize that they will be put into a higher tax bracket. They are too stupid to realize that also. You can't file married but seperate returns.

It is what it is. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck..... It's a Hate Cult.

http://eristic-ragemail.blogspot.com/2008/06/john-tantons-network-of-hate-how-as.html

Thank you for your civility.

Yeah, you lefties out there have tried to come back at me like spoiled little brats because you could not handle the truth, facts and the figures I have posted. You people preach civility, "transparancy", bi-partisanship. working together, political correctness, coooom byyy ayyyy, yada, yada, yada and all we get from YOU PEOPLE is rants and raves, hatred, name calling, disregard for the truth and other peoples opinions, disregard for the freedom of speech by others who disagree with your dimented thoughts, total disregard of American values and total hypocrisy. Enjoy it while you can because come November, it WILL end. Also, if you people are going to try and follow Van Jones to an "American Fall",... bring it on.

Pst...B Allen, he's talking about you. You've spent a chunk of your life and 1000+ posts simply insulting people to try and get them to interact with you (it's called "trolling"). You realize that, correct? I understand that you're probably lonely or whatever, but there are healthier ways to induce human interactions. You don't need to act like an ass just to get someone to pay attention to you. Try staying on subject and acting like a normal, well-adjusted human being sometime - you'll see it's much more rewarding.

Hey Jag(off)...I could care less. I was pointing out the fact that you people are hypocrites. Plain and simple and to the point. You don't like it when you are not doing the attacking. You were the ones who started the attacks way back in other posts just because I disagreed with you, I am finishing it. Don't like it when the truth comes out do you? You all act like a bunch of spoiled little brats throwing your little girl temper tantrums. It is good entertainment watching you people get your panties all wadded up.

@Frank, once again a typical lib comeback. have some respect for yourself instead of getting your rocks off at being humiliated in front of a bunch of people.

Actually we should not be picking on B Allen, he is really just not intelligent and that is not any of his fault. It's genetic.

Try all you want to "attack" me just because I don't agree with you people. You people have gone on the attack ever since I posted the truth and facts and figures that made your comments nothing more than "hearsay". You started with the name calling, temper tantrums and hypocracy. You want to try and dish it out, then you better be able to handle the truth. Instead of being a bunch of little pansies. You people are "plants" by the village idiot OWEmalley and his scumbag cronies. That is why I don't believe a word you people say because all that comes out of the OWEmalley camp is lies, deceipt and they run their ponzi schemes. Funny thing is, you people are too stupid to realize it. I guess it is true they suck out 98% of your grey matter when you join the dumbocrap party and leave only 2% for bodily functions and to "carry their water". I am laughing now because you make yourselves look like fools. You are ALL a bunch of good liitle Saul Alinsky wannabes, do you keep your rules for rqdicals and the communist manifesto right there on your computer to do down the list of attack modes?

I have it bookmarked BB.

I am sure you do FIFA the foot fairy. Enjoy your 15 min of fame with that amature in the white house and the village idiot in the MD gov mansion. Now go back to your commm byyy yaa circle jerk and tell you castradi buddies that they are all smart. NOT!!!

Very interesting. Thank you.

Escariot, good info. Funny thing is when you post REAl info, the truth, facts and figures, those on the left try to fight with you and come up with some spin that does not make sense. They are full of lies, deciept and false info.

@jnrentz1 - Escariot is a "Birther" and thus I have much trouble believing anything he posts under the guise of being informative.

I just can't make stuff like that up. The snail rails about Obama and healthcare then takes the payments for cancer screenings he does to feed himself. He calls me a hypocrite. I must admit I really don't like snails, except in brown garlic sauce.

Something is unplugged in that snail brain, must have been during childhood I guess.

I TOTALLY agree with Escariot that you people are hypocrites. Hell, you call people racists because they don't agree with the 1/2 white guy in the white house, but then you will support the Black Caucus and the NAACP, Jackson, Sharpton and other socialist hate groups when they attack black conservatives and call them uncle tom's, oreos and make caricatures of them bowing to whites,etc. All because they "left the plantations" and made something of themselves and become successful. Just like when you people attacked Michael Steele and Ben Cardin had his people steal his social security number to gain access to his financial info. Cardin should ahve done time but he had his flunkies take the fall for it. Typical of you people. Just look how the blacks attack Allen West because he knows the truth and speaks the truth. Allen West would run rings around that idiot in the white house. THE TRUTH HURTS THE LEFT.

A common thread that i noticed with people such as steve o malley is that their "liberal" views are the ones out of touch with reality. For example, they call those that are in favor of traditional marriage bigots and out of touch, yet they cannot name a state where voters actually voted in majority for gay marriage. Or with illegal immigration, the majority of people want the borders to be enforced before immigration reform takes place. They also claim ignorance to the fact that more people want Obamacare repealed than those that want it to be left in place. By the way steve o malley, only 13 states have approval ratings for jimmy obama above fifty percent. I guess you buried your head in the sand when the citizens of this great country come out in droves to support chick fil a and gave them unprecedented sales in their history. Maybe you should have listened to the interviews of many diverse people that were supporting them instead of listening to your governor relative. By the way steve, if everyone was "in touch" as you clearly think you are, then why didn't the dream act get entered into the senate when your dem friends had a supermajority? Why won't it pass now? Oh yeah, I keep forgetting that the 20 percent of self-identified liberals erroneously believe they represent over 50 percent of public opinion.

Hey Steveie boy...and yes you are a boy. Who is the one who says, "lets pass it and then we will find out what is in it" You DA libbies NEVER read anything. I called my delegates offices and I even attended a dumbocrap meeting where all 3 delegates and the state senator was there pounding their chest and saying look at we did and THEY could not even give the full facts and figures. They said it was going to cost taxpayers only a few million dollars to pay for the so called "dream act". When I asked them if that was statewide, they said it was the cost for Montgomery College students. Guess what, all the libbies at the meeting said it was not as much as they thought, so I posed the question, what about ALL the other colleges in MD, how much will it cost at those and of course, they did not know. I told them an easy way to figure it out was to take the number of colleges and multiple it by the number that taxpayers were covering in MoCo and could even round down the number and it would be MUCH MUCH more of a burden to taxpayers. NOT ONE of them read the whole thing, they did not have all the facts and figures, they just passed it, because of you people following the pied piper in the gov mansion, opps I mean village idiot.

Steve is a self admitted supremacist. No one but he read anything they signed. No one but he knows waht the law says. No one but he are in reality. A true supremacist. A true liberal.

Buy yourself a few brain cells.
supremacist: a person who promotes or advocates the supremacy of any particular group.

" with all the anti DREAM Act people" "They are out of touch with reality. They signed a petition to overturn a law that they know nothing about. They didn't even to bother to read it."

His group is SUPERIOR to those he writes about. Go buy a brain.

Frank go buy a brain.

su·prem·a·cist:  a person who believes in or advocates the supremacy of a particular group.

supremacist [sʊˈprɛməsɪst sjʊ-] a person who promotes or advocates the supremacy of any particular group, characterized by belief in the supremacy of any particular group.

From his post: "with ALL the anti DREAM Act people " "They are out of touch with reality." "they know nothing about"
Sounds like a supremacist to me.

Only in the minds of true supremacists like Frank & Steve would they redefine words to their liking and deny the meaning from a dictionary.

Let me guess....I watch the O'Reilly factor and fox news sunday. I also read the washington post and usa today. I also read a lot of books published by people in the political arena from juan williams, klein, and others including state of denial by woodward. Sorry steve, unlike yourself, i am not an ideologue that takes one side for verbatim without actually listening to what the other side has to say about an issue.

I see Escariot pointing out facts, which you people do not comprehend. One of the LIBERALS rediculus comeback. "watch a lot of Fox news donca"... such an infantile statement. Which is ALL of you liberals commenting on these posts. Like I said before, you liberals get your "panties all wadded up" because every comment (lie) you make on these posts, there are true facts and figures to backup the fact that you are ALWAYS wrong. But the good thing is, I get a good laugh every time I see your rediculous comments and ASSumptions... I enjoy watching you people make fools of yourselves. Youa re the ones standing in the shadows, you are the ones that would stand in the back of the crowd and throw stones, you are the ones that follow the rules for radicals (as guy in the white house does) and try to antagonize. I bet if you met face to face with any of us, you would not act so bad. I have come across many people like you in my years and in my travels and they were the ones left not standing. All I see you people as like the scumbags that tried spitting on us when I was in the military during vietnam, they were not so tough when I went toe to toe with them. The same goes here. BTW, FRANKIE BOY...The term Liberal is meant to be degrading becuse it means, sniviling little brats who throw temper tantrums when someone does not agree with their misguided thought process. Which is ALL I see coming from you coooom---byyy---ahhhhers. You guys have your circle "get together" lately?

"watch a lot of Fox news donca""

Love that line since those who say that watch the best in the business, Madcow $harpton, Kweef Olberman etc for their news.
They say it as a slur. What a lame way to converse.

Frankieboy (and yes your statements show that is all you are ) "Have another drink and go back to bed.And learn to spell "ridiculous".
I want to thank you for validating all of my assessments about "you people". I was not sure which one of you libtards would come back first with some RIDICULOUS comment, but if I had to bet, I would have put my money on you. OHHHHHH I am so offended that you saw a typo, OMG! (newer meaning for OMG, Obama Must Go)Does it makes you think you are smart or something? Funny how you libtards get your rocks off at all the childish rants, raves and comments you make. BTW, at least I enlisted during that time. I supposed you were drafted?

People like myself are your worst nightmare FIFA. Your liberal rants about hate and screaming about being right wing doesn't hold water considering i donated to hillary's campaign in 2008 and voted for Sarbanes when i lived in the city before moving out to towson. I get no paycheck from the government. My job is in a non-profit hospital that accepts both private, and medicare payments. Those payments across the whole department is what pays my salary. Your misinformation is predicatable considering that you offer absolutely nothing new to the discussion. Unlike you, others here are posting informative opinions that can be read and used to either support or change ideas about positions. Funny that all it takes it under 3 posts and all you have is insults and nothing worthwhile to contribute.

"I get no paycheck from the government. My job is in a non-profit hospital that accepts both private, and medicare payments". Last time I checked snail man Medicare is a government payment. Your employer takes a part of that money and pays you! You have lied.

All of your posts are right wing ideologue posts. That is also apparent by your lack of any criticisms of the right wing.

FIFA, you are such a comedian. I am cracking up at your jokes and the way you make a fool of yourself and all of your buddies on here. HAHAHAHAHAHA. I think I will just check back once in a while for a good laugh instead of posting more facts and figures on here, because you don't read ANY of the info. It looks like the brainwashing and the reeducation process that you people went through by the LIBBIES was a success, they need more like you to carry their water and be slaves to to their needs. Too bad you people have NO thought process for yourself. It all reminds me of the movie the "demolition man". You people live in a (wannabe) TOTALITARIAN environment and not having to think for yourself and let the gvmt do ALL the thinking for you and run your lives. We are like the people that went underground in that movie and come November the door will be hitting Obama in the ass as he gets booted out of DC as the WORST president ever, even worse than Jimmy carter...Jimmy is a happy man right now to not have to hold on that title any longer. Then you people wont feel so "empowered" any longer.

]sic]. FIFA Yes, I am a literary critic and your writing style stinks.
On to the subject if I can figure it out. Clearly by your picture and your comments you believe your skin and your tone denotes you are royalty of some sort.

[sic]"Mission Accomplished". Do you know what the military mission was? how did you get the secret documents? WW2 even signing a surrender terms was"Mission Accomplished" the Battle Mission Accomplished! SS Werewolf Guerrilla Resistance in Europe continued, just as Afghanistan & Iraq " FIFA comments from the literary critic seems to be intellectual manipulator of comment hidden by manipulating of the English language.What may be confusing people is a section of the Fourteenth Amendment that says that anyone born on American soil is an American citizen at birth. This provision, meant to grant citizenship to former slaves after the Civil War, does not mean that people who are not born on American soil cannot be American citizens by legal process set in place,

FIFA sic ego vos culus tibi similis vobis manipulare, torquent veritatem in ad iacet

Man, your Latin is pretty bad.

I think ATC likes my Ass, but I don't own one. What do you really mean? Are you afraid of the "deleter" because you speak in forked tongue?

It is important to expose to the daylight people like you who hide in the shadows and when seen in daylight expose their real self.

I will let others judge your doublespeak, but I will not relent putting sunlight on your darkness. I am awaiting your first piece exposing Romney. I presume I should not hold my breath, you who is not an ideologue.

Excellent comment.

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child-miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brat"

This is one of the most ignorant comments I have ever read. Past, you are describing rich Republicans, in case you didn't know, what a moronic comment. Only one slower than you is the Snail.

And what about the military veterans that will be affected by payer higher taxes because of this bill? Or how about their children having to pay higher out of state tuition than illegals? Or how about the military veterans that cannot find jobs because Obamacare is killing job growth like the medical supply company in Indiana that is NOT building more factories because of the additional millions in taxes? Once again steve o malley has less than 3 lines using his hate speech. Gee steve, i cannot help but notice how you and frank mysteriously do not debate the merits or facts concerning this issue. Keep up the good work. You will be rewarded in the same manner where the silent majority poured out support for governor Walker in Wisconsin and chick fil a around the country.

StevieBoy...another knuckleheaded comment proving you have your head so far up omalleys butt that neither one of you can see the light of day. Maybe you need to be "BS"d and have some sense knocked into you.

Simple, if you live here and pay taxes here you get in state rates. The vet can get in state rates where he lives. What BS from someone on the government dole like you.

Now answer how does Romney have a $100,000,000.00 IRA in the Cayman Islands when the max contribution was around $6,000 per year. Great tax planning? How about just a pathetic unpatriotic tax cheat?

And you worry about a teenager getting a chance to go to college. You are sick.

I have answered your question, now answer mine. I am not going to play your silly game of dodging continually the Romney issue while you go off on your agenda.

How does Romney have a $100,000,000.00 IRA in the Cayman Islands when the max contribution was around $6,000 per year. Great tax planning? How about just a pathetic unpatriotic tax cheat?

Eat at Chick-Fil-A all you want, it fits right in with your Birther status.

I guess you are polling the majority of the people in the US now with your Snail like powers?

You and your continual straw man arguments have grown tiring. As you do.

Just keep collecting your government paycheck via Medicare and complaining about it. Fool.

Harvard and Columbia are private institutions. It's "one tuition fit's all". There is no "instate and out of state" tuition. Both schools are big proponents of the DREAM Act as well.

http://obsthisland.blogspot.com/2009/05/harvard-president-supports-college-for.html

http://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2010/education/title-15/subtitle-1/15-106-4/

I'm having trouble reading this but I believe Escariot is right in this case that spouses/dependents of vets (who went to maryland secondary education for 3 years and received HS diploma or equivalent) are not covered by the former law or by the changes in SB-167

The only children that get the benefit are of active duty members:

(a) Scope.- This section applies to the following individuals:
(1) An active duty member of the United States armed forces;
(2) The spouse of an active duty member of the United States armed forces;
(3) A financially dependent child of an active duty member of the United States armed forces; <Mentions Dependent>
(4) An honorably discharged veteran of the United States armed forces; or <Only Mentions the Vet>
(5) A member of the National Guard as defined in § 13-405(a)(3) of the Public Safety Article.

<my edits>

The information at justia says it may be old, but if it is current then from what I'm reading it sounds correct. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

If the Vet lives in Colorado they would get in state tuition at Colorado schools presumably, so I don't see why that's an issue for Maryland and mostly consider that case somewhat irrelevant. If a Vet lived in Maryland they would get Maryland rates.

FIFA must be a plant by the socialist group CASA of MD and that scumbag Gustavo Torres who needs to have his ass kicked back to Venezuala and his buddy Tyrant Hugo Chavez. With a name like FIFA you know it (because I won't refer to it as a person, because no person can be that stupid) is not what it tries to portray here, it is a little scumbag pissant soccer footfairy. Has to take a name of a xbox360 game. This is what is behind all the push for taxpayers to pay for illegals here, Torres spoke at this socialist coombyyyaaaa meeting in Venezuala. http://themilitant.com/2007/7145/714503.html They (socialists) are trying to infiltrate our system and take over, they think they are empowered by the 1/2 white guy in the white house. Come NOV they won't be so loudmouthed.

The racist pig B Allen has returned to the scene.

"They are coming to take you away, ha ha, they are coming to take you away".

B Allen, you are the reason birth control was invented!

Gosh you like to shout also. Actually makes you look dumb that kind of yelling.

And the "B" is short for? Five letters and ends in a "t" I bet.

My belly hurts now!

"4:21 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012" look at that (Ctrl F) copy & paste w/o quotes
those comments State your Character all you have to do is click on FIFA and you will see him in so Everywhere these ARE you STATEMENTS!
"Lying and misleading makes you a simpleton, your failure to acknowledge your lies is simply pathetic. Really makes it difficult for you when someone has facts to dispute your lies."

Character: moral or ethical quality

ATC, thank you for complying with my request.

ATC, those statements are incomprehensible by humans.

Moral and ethical qualities extraordinarily high. Treat far right wingers like simpletons, Guilty.