You're right. No democratic government has ever degenerated into an authoritarian state. That would be impossible. Thank God we have gifted historians like you to help the rest of us maintain perspective. Moron.

You should have at least finished your post up with a quotation from some long dead White Guy.

Steve,

Since you know so much about history and seem to hate the founding fathers of this, the greatest country to ever exist on planet Earth, then why don't you leave the United States and move to some other democratic paradise elsewhere on the planet where the views of the general publis are more in line with your fairly-land beliefs.

Steve, it's obvious you have no idea what the second amendment is all about. Our founding fathers were very insightful and drafted the bill of rights with conviction and purpose. The second amendment is the only one that can assure the protection of your other rights which are being attacked almost daily by the current adminsitration. Keep your head in the sand and you'll come to realize that one day very soon, you may not have any rights left. If you read any writings other than the constitution and bill of rights by the the founding fathers, you will know that the primary purpose was to provide protection to the people from the potential of their own government becoming tryannical. It should also be noted that in our relatively long history, we have never been attacked by a standing army from another country, for fear that there is armed citizenry on every street. If you actually learn something about the second amendment, you will come to understand that it is really two parts, one requiring the states to maintain a militia, commonly known as a national guard. Secondly, it assures that the right of the people to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms shall not be infringed. By definition, anything that effects the owning or carrying of weapons is an infringement. Most reasonable gun owners have come to accept the need and justification of having a background check method to assure guns stay out of the hands of kooks and felons. We can all live with that. Stop there!

Frank and Steve need to crack open some history books. The cradle of Dem, Greece, collapsed into dictatorships and anarchy. Rome was a Republic, although highly restricted, until it became a dictatorship, Florence was a dem until a mafia family took over and started installing puppet leaders(sound familiar?) Russia, yes that Russia, after the csar was removed, was a socialist democracy for about a year until Lenin and the communists DISARMED and KILLED all the opposition. Iran, dem until CIA coup installed the shaw, Guatemala was a socialist dem before a CIA coup. History is littered with failed dems, but just as often, it is full of SHAM democracies. The Soviet Union and Cuba had many elections. so does Iran, so does Zimbabwe. Tyranny comes in many forms, not just some guy shouting from a podium. The new age of feudalism is about hiding behind the curtains and controlling who the candidates even are.

Almost all gun violence is done with semi-automatic weapons.

Almost all knife violence is done with knives.
No simple solution to this very complex problem . The least of which is to only effect the law abiding since thugs who use firearms do not buy at a gun show or store and do not go through a background check. If they disobey the murder mayhem laws, why would they obey any other?

Sorry, I forgot the Sandy Hook massacre was caused by illegally acquired weapons.

Well, they kinda were actually. By killing his nutter mother who had the weapons. If she didn't have that arsenal, a lot less children would've died that day.

So according to Frank, opinions are a bar to firearm ownership. Can it get any more insane?

"So do you think just because someone is in your opinion, acting tyrannically that you are allowed to shoot them?"

My Patch page shows nowhere what you say. Do different people see different pages?

WE all are to decide what tyranny is. Just as we all decide what law we obey or not.
Some who sit in very high places decide what laws will be enforced and will make law where none exists. We all decide what constitutes tyranny.

Moe very interesting question. He raised right hand in front Congress but I guess he raised his left in font of the county executive. There are other issues that come into play.

"Dozens of sheriffs across the country are questioning the constitutionality of President Obama's gun-control initiatives and are even suggesting that they would not allow federal officials to enforce laws they deem a violation of the Second Amendment."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/29/sheriffs-gun-ban-enforce/1873885/

"Missouri Sheriffs Pledge To Not Enforce Obama’s Gun Control Laws" 4 so far.
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2013/01/21/missouri-sheriffs-pledge-to-not-enforce-obamas-gun-control-laws/

I don't know the population of the area all these Sheriff's have jurisdiction over.

Here are some more for you Steve to look at.
"In Utah, 28 of the state's 29 sheriffs signed a Jan. 17 letter to Obama saying it is "foolish and prejudiced" to "demonize firearms," and that "malevolent souls" were to blame for shootings like the one that killed 26 children and staff at a school in Newtown, Conn., in December."
Steve, what is the population in all those areas? Not much in the overall scheme of things. But is far more than you want to dismiss and insult as meaningless.

Please Steve, tell me where you read "just because someone is in your opinion, acting tyrannically that you are allowed to shoot them?"

I am dying to know where you read that!

The Sheriff's are full of BS. Here is the real truth.

http://www.sheriffs.org/sites/default/files/uploads/NSA_Resolution_2013-1.pdf

Thank you for admitting Steve that you just make up ignorant things and impugn them to others since that is the only way you can make a point. Like someone else here who types quotes and attributes them to others where they never existed since he has no other way to make a point.

To impugn actions or thought to others where there is no basis is ignorant and abusive and vile and expected from you. At least you admitted doing this since you have failed to show where you read it.

A surrender comment if there ever was one. A sign of total ignorance.

Remember Katrina and the disarming of citizens at the worst possible time. The NRA won it's lawsuit against the NOPD in that terrible violation of those people rights.

If it's spam Frank...why not debate it instead of snipe it..?

Thought so Frank..

Newsspeak...

...or logic.

Could you please elaborate on that ~those statements Sean Tully..?

As? Any examples?

Same could be said for most governments... :-)

Why do you make such a heated rhetorical comment Sean and then refuse to explain the basis for it?

Sean pulls these stunts with regularity...and Frank is not a dumb ass, he just makes a lot of statements that make it sound like he is...

Says who Sean Tully? Perhaps we have no idea what the reality really, really is or could be in our little world that is so much more secure at this time than so many, many other countries of the world. Whew!!! The ball game is changing...significantly. How about let us review the need for a strong war on gangs!! Chicago is the most interesting example of strong gun laws, big gang population, horrendous murder stats and all under the watchful eye of our Emmanuel!! So what is this all about, Alfie???

We all knew who had no self control over his one liners. Incapable of a continuous thought process and the ability to coherently express any coherent thought.

The war on gangs could be dangerous Lorna...guys like Jimmy Johnson don't want to put themselves in danger so they stick to violating the rights of law abiding citizens...much safer way to earn that fat pay check...no brainer...he'll be retiring soon anyway...

sean .. the NRA puts the Second Amendment on a high platform .. but to get there .. they have to trample on Article Three, section 3..
it's the part of the Constitution that mentions treason ..

moe, BEHAVE !

I heard he lives in Harford County. Someone I have not seen in 2 years told me he was JJ's next door neighbor.

..of course guns are taken in a first and important act of oppressing the people. History proves it to be so. But there is also the psychological warfare that begins in earnest, long before, drip, by drip, sting by sting..in the schools, in the media, hijacking our political system, in the steady march to gradually disassociate citizens from the magnificent and heroic history of our great people, and beautiful country. Sad lessons learned by many other countries in the world falling on deafened ears. In the march forward, dorks of many sizes, shapes and synaptic misfires zero in with anti-patriotic jargon..always looking for a weak link and then they pounce..attacking ruthlessly with endless verbal abuse. It is who they are....it is what they do! And when all else fails in their journey, up pops the "race card!" And now, all the fruit cakes looking for some validation of their thoughts are running right to schools, school buses, children to get the maximum attention from the media...and of course, they are there almost breathless in their coverage. The point that might be addressed is to remove control of guns in the hands of idiots/malcontents and the mentally ill. And then, perhaps strong war on gangs (Chicago might especially benefit from that focus). We could start with criminal elements.."you kill, you die!"
Using movements of murderous b'stards as a ploy to destroy our 2nd Amendment rights...no way, honey child!! Just the perception of a retired worker bee!

Dick Turban is a fool. He will not talk about the firearm carnage in his own state. He does not care about anything but infringing on our rights as law abiding citizens. Otherwise he would be including the mass carnage in the cities where most gun violence occurs.

Sadly, Buck, your words hit the nail on the head.!

But Buck, isn't the "government" our employee? Don't we pay taxes that in turn pay these political folks their salaries?...last time I looked, that was the case. How about controlling the darlings by firing them..one, by one as needed (of course replacing them with a more capable person to do the work of the people). Sounds logical to me. Only difference is that I would not wait until 2014. My message, "come on back home darlings, you've got it all wrong!"

What happens when a business is filled with bad employees that don't seem to really care...? That's whats happening to our County & Country....bad employee's rule..

Sanchez, These guys are currently scrambling in attempt to find credible links to post...for they have no words of their own to back up the constant one liner statements... best they have to offer when their argument is lost..

Sharon Angle, Republican Senate hopeful that lost to Harry Reid said in an interview:

"Angle: I feel that the Second Amendment is the right to keep and bear arms for our citizenry. This not for someone who's in the military. This not for law enforcement. This is for us. And in fact when you read that Constitution and the founding fathers, they intended this to stop tyranny. This is for us when our government becomes tyrannical...
Manders: If we needed it at any time in history, it might be right now.
Angle: Well it's to defend ourselves. And you know, I'm hoping that we're not getting to Second Amendment remedies. I hope the vote will be the cure for the Harry Reid problems."

I apologize in advance for the copypasta. This comes from Sam Stein at Huffington Post where you can listen to the audio.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/16/sharron-angle-floated-2nd_n_614003.html

And that has WHAT exactly to do with anything here? Spam? Copypasta? Irrelevant?

What's the intent of owning a gun to fight the tyrants if you don't intend to use it?

Please Steve, tell me where you read "just because someone is in your opinion, acting tyrannically that you are allowed to shoot them?"

I am dying to know where you read that!

Man up Steve and answer or stop impugning things to others that do not exist except in your mind.

Steve, will you be a man and admit you never read anywhere that I said ""just because someone is in your opinion, acting tyrannically that you are allowed to shoot them?"???

It is important Steve for your credibility to address this.

Not about the election. Its about people feeling their rights are being violated. Stop spinning it. It doesn't work on me.

Funny thing. When Libs protest it's their right. When Conservatives do they are racists, nutters, teabaggers etc...Just proves the childishness of the Liberal mindset.

Steve, you're assuming that the voting process was above board! Let's face it, this election in November was by no means above board.

"Let's face it, this election in November was by no means above board."

Tinfoil Hat Time

We live in a Republic Steve...majority rules is a problem indeed...

Actually is simpler than that, he likes his job and wants to keep it. He will do what he is told.

I agree FIFA..

That's Democracy!

Sanchez ...hmmm on wyoming and arizona ..
why then then are states which have legalized marijuana and same sex marriages not accorded the same support from the right??

That's called unconstitutional and the Courts will fix that.

That's just "Feel Good" legislation to assuage the Crazies. It's never going to work.

Holton, you assume far too much. Who ever said all "the right" do not support the 10th Amendment and states rights? Homosexual marriage and drug laws like you note are the states business not the Feds business.

Secession is near. Can't wait. Which by the way is Constitutional.

"Secession is near. Can't wait. Which by the way is Constitutional."

ROTFLMAO What is this new country going to be named? "Whitemanistan"?

They will be called, Texas, Arizona, Oklahoma and Wyoming.
Not sure why you are laughing. I guess out of immaturity.

NO, I'm laughing because it is so delusional and absurd...

What's funny, is that "Off the record" most if not all cops agree with you. But in this Great state w/ these "leaders".............. you get 2 strikes & 3 o perhaps 5 foul tips before actually doing time. Stricter Gun laws will protect the criminals w/ guns in most circumstances.

If you were in the military you too took an oath to the Constitution didn't you? It seems you have violated that oath you swore to.

"I, XXXXXXXXXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Only law enforcement and the military posses assault weapons.

"going after" is more newspeak so often used by the rabid pigressives.
It is not "going after" when I only pointed out the oath he took and now seems to want to violate.

The veteran should know better..

When one starts with "If", that is the point.

Armed guard disarmed teen in Atlanta school shooting, says police chief.
Atlanta • A student opened fire at his middle school Thursday afternoon, wounding a 14-year-old in the neck before an armed officer working at the school was able to get the gun away, police said.

Multiple shots were fired in the courtyard of Price Middle School just south of downtown around 1:50 p.m. and the one boy was hit, Atlanta Police Chief George Turner said. In the aftermath, a teacher received minor cuts, he said.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/55742445-68/shooting-atlanta-police-says.html.csp

The NRA has been completely vindicated.

Ike...you know not what you say. Perhaps you should come out of your bubble!

Says the old coot Ike withering away down there in the hospice ward. LMAO

I love the way Kongo laughs at it's self....makes a bold statement..

And so Steve you are of the opinion that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not a tyrant. You do not feel that one tyrant simply overthrew another tyrant and represents no real threat to the freedom of the Iranian people? Just wondering!

Lorna, do you realize he is not in charge? He does not run the country. Are you even remotely aware of that? He is a face, nothing more. Sad, you don't

Those oh so glorious Mullahs are in charge and they are the figure heads of the religion of piece dontyaknow!

"Iranian-American Priest 'Sentenced To Eight Years In Jail' " for being a Christian! How dare anyone say Iran is run by tyrants.
They are the most tolerant religion on the planet.

There will be a new President of Iran in six months or so. I didn't realize that tyrants come and go with such fluidity.

Do you think that happy days are here again, Lorna?

Jeez , don't tell them you are allowed to own guns in Iran either. There collective heads might explode!

Joe, you bob and weave and refuse to stick to the point. You are more slippery than a wet noodle and a fork. But we recognize you for being that noodle.

That 40% number is just more LIES by these civil rights deniers whose argument would fall apart if not for the lies and prevarications and fear they instill in their sheep herd.

If the fine rights denier was correct why the hell is he not demanding the Holder Obama regime PROSECUTE these people who lie on their applications?

That is a terrible failure on top of the other total failures.

ENFORCE the existing laws before you pass new ones you won't enforce!

Read. Just read. You are so, so boring when you write. You must be more interesting in person. Dag! http://bit.ly/YpMgMU

Lorna, when one is convinced of something like you are in direct contravention of the facts, there is nothing to say but to let others judge your ignorance. Have a good day Lorna. He does not have a seat at the table, he is waiting tables.

You wouldn't know a fact if it slapped you across the face, which they do quite frequently by the way, you filthy little mutt.

Welcome to Patch Kongo...you certainly have a way with words...seems as though you are relieving yourself of something here...don't forget to wipe..

You seem to tickle yourself often Kongo...great therapy for that condition you must suffer from....did I say welcome to Patch yet..?