No, I do not agree with same sex marraige as I believe it is against the Word of God. God made Adam & Eve and they represent Man & Woman. I think God is going to get fed up with us and all the people who go against His Word and maybe He will lower the Boom. As this world is so full of sin. No one respects life anymore. Some people kill for $5.00 . Its bad enough when they hold you up and then they have to shoot you so you cannot tell anyone who it was that killed you.
This world is so corrupted...We all need to turn back to God and thank Him for the gift of life.

I applaud senator Klausmier. It takes a lot thinking being she is cahtolic as I am. I agree with her but I don't think it has to be in church. A civil wedding would be alright. I doubt that a priest would even perform the ceremony. The church dosen't have to be a part.

As one of her constituents, I strongly disagree with Sen Klausmeier's assessment and decision. Her heart strings carried the day over thoughtful discourse. The line of church/state has been crossed. And make no mistake, this will lead to a forced school curriculum that will teach militant homosexual "tolerance". It happened in Massachusetts. Also, any hate-crime legislation that would follow would be geared to give only certain groups protection, while everyone else is left open to verbal (and physical) attack, with little recourse.

That being said, I would easily support any civil-union measure to assure every individual's rights are maintained, as per the Constitution. But not marriage. Marriage is religion-based, and now the State legislature is poised to cross the church/state line.

Further, the Catholic Church teaches against homosexuality, how will Sen. Klausmeier be allowed to receive Communion in her (or any other) parish? Will they stand against her for her position?

I also wonder if these legislators who support this actually have been to the Pride Festival. Not the "family-friendly" version, but the parade the night before. Quite an eye-opening experience, and little tolerance for anything heterosexual.

The gay lobby is planning to push further and further. This is just the first step.

I applaud our legislators' courage in doing what is right for a smaller, less influential minority, rather than be ruled by a vocal, fear-mongering majority. This legislation is long, long overdue.

The law will say that a Priest has the option to turn down a gay couple for marraige. Trust me,
the next law to be enacted will be that it will be ILLEGAL to turn down gays for marraige. Thus, we keep marching down this "gay road" and in the future, our kids will ( and are ) being taught in school that this is PERFECTLY normal. If this is normal, how can gay people procreate to perpetuate the species..........will they get a special dispensation from "Mother Nature" ??

Sen. Klausmeier, I don't think that you should allow your "heartstrings" to do the lawmaking.
I'll tell you who should do the lawmaking...we the people. Why don't you represent the silent majority instead of the gay-marching lobby ?? This kind of issue should be placed on the state ballot so the state ( we the people ) can decide.......not you!!

I took the time to find the passages from the bible .
1 Timothy 1:9-11 (New International Version, ©2010)
9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.
Leviticus 18:22 (New International Version, ©2010)
22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
Leviticus 20:13 (New International Version, ©2010)
13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Romans 1:27 (New International Version, ©2010)
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. These are just a few that most do not read.

Now how can I back someone that is supposed to represent me in the state? She is voting against God's law. She told me that she would let me know what was happening with this law and now She wants to keep a low profile. I am watching and will remember in the next election.

I do NOT support the same sex bill, and I am sorry that I did not do something to defeat Ms Klausmeier in the last election. A mistake I will not repeat next time. If Attila the Hun runs against her, he will be getting a contribution.

Interesting... the Senator clearly states she is trying to keep a very low profile on this issue, because it is so controversial. So... it kinda makes you wonder what else she might not be bringing to the light, because it's controversial?
She wants to vote on it because it's fair? To whom? Seems to me the "fairness" aspect isn't really what it's about.

Marriage is between a man and a woman.­ For legal purposes a same sex "union" is fine but do not call it a marriage.­ Making something law does not make it right.

Senator Klausmeier - Thank you for taking a positive stand on this. While I know many think this is "against Gods will" that is a personal choice. I doubt God intended for people to get divorced either, but that's legal. I know several same sex couples that have been together longer than friends who have "normal" relationships and gotten married. Why should they not be allowed to enjoy some of the same benefits as other married couples? Health insurance, tax breaks, and here's one ... the ability to visit their partner in the hospital. This has consequences that are more far reaching than people think.

sorry Kathy you have lost my vote.......the old goatherder

Same sex "marriage" is a cop out and for those who do not have the moral or ethical strength to stand up for what is truly right. If God intended marriage to be between same sex partners, he would have created Adam and John!!! Civil rights are accorded to all under the laws of this nation...there is no need for a law forcing this abomination of moral integrity on the majority!

So, Ms. Klausmeier.....you talked to one person in your office who tugged at your
"heartstrings" and swayed your decision!! May I make an appointment to see you in your office??

Bravo, Kathy! They are screaming the loudest, but might does not make right. Keep up the good work!

You guys are getting your talking points straight from Ol' Reverend Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church.

http://www.godhatesfags.com/

Those against same sex marriage are on the wrong side of history. Marriage should be a civil right, not a privilege for a segment (majority or not) of society. Why does my potential marriage have any relevance to your life or to your marriage? Why am I a second class citizen? Because I'm not a part of the majority? The same could be said 50 years ago about blacks. Just because I am not a member of the majority, I don't deserve to have the same rights as a heterosexual person? My sexuality does not define me as a human, but it does have a big enough influence in my life that I feel I should be treated equally amongst my fellow Americans.

And at last check, the United States and the state of Maryland are not theocracies. Religious beliefs SHOULD not have any influence on the rights of citizens. Your beliefs are your beliefs, no one should be able to take them away from you, but at the same time those beliefs should not take away or prevent quality of life and rights I should have as a citizen. I'm not asking for the ability to be married in a place of worship, I am asking for the right to have a civil marriage that is recognized by the STATE not a CHURCH, just as any heterosexual couple has the right to in the state of Maryland.

Maybe those with backward ideas and views will one day understand how unequal America real is. Maybe one day you can let love and compassion for your fellow citizens take over. Maybe one day...

Well , Does that mean that Man has the right to superseed the law of God?Because it is a" Civil Matter "? And to Cnick , you and I have sparred over this before. was it you that said Man wrote the Bible and not God? I guess Moses made it all up on Mt. Siani? I guess he carved the stone tablets too?
The LORD said to Moses, “Come up to me on the mountain and stay here, and I will give you the tablets of stone with the law and commandments I have written for their instruction.”
Exodus 24:11-13

And Jeff Paris, Here we go again: What God do you follow then? Buddah? mohammad? what bible do you have ? Just because you have a diffrent veiw does not mean hate . and if you think it does , well then it seems to me that you are spewing out the same hate and bigotry that you are accusing us of? As for Followers of God ,and Jesus have been persacuted for years and it continues today. There are some places in the world that you can be put to death just for speaking the word of God. Just the other day I was accused of being in line with a muslum jihadist in a debate just like this one. I will still pray for you all.

Psalm 43[a]
1 Vindicate me, my God,
and plead my cause
against an unfaithful nation.
Rescue me from those who are
deceitful and wicked.

I would love to witness to you and tell you how prayer has done things in my life that could not be explained any other way. like bringing My Dad through a stroke in three days and not having any lasting effects. giving me a sence of peace when I lost my job and was layed off after 7 years.
That is just the tip of the iceberg. I have to believe and I have rededacated my life to God.
I am on this earth to serve him NOT for him to serve me.

Check it out! Great documentary!
"Lord, Save Us From Your Followers"
http://lordsaveusthemovie.com/home.html

To those of you who vehemently oppose gay marriage, would you feel the same if your sister, your brother, your daughter or your son were gay or lesbian?

for supporters of traditional marriage. I found this site. http://www.protectmarriagemd.org/

Thanks for your bravery in doing the right thing Kathy. It is an issue of civil rights and tolerance. Holy cow people, it is not going to hurt traditional marriage. Many Christians, including Ministry are in favor too. There is so little prejudice in our younger people who are the newest and next voters. Even Dick Cheney with whom I agree on absolutely nothing, but this, supports it.

Opponents of gay marriage argue that it would undermine the institution of marriage, but it’s hard to see how more marriages would be bad for marriage. If anything harms marriage, it is bad marriages where people don’t take marriage seriously — and that’s already too common with heterosexuals. If gay couples in committed relationships are able to formalize their unions as marriages, that can only serve to improve marriage overall by providing more positive role models.

Opponents of gay marriage appear willing to do anything at all to stop it — and the reason is that cultural, social, and political forces in America are moving almost inexorably towards the legalization of gay marriage. Sooner or later, marriage for same-sex couples will be as legal and recognized as marriage has traditionally been for heterosexual couples.

Opponents of Gay Marriage are running scared. They know they are losing the fight and they have nothing logical to say so the just quote the Bible.

For those that think that marriage is a religious thing, then our country has NO right - BECAUSE OF OUR CONSTITUTION - to approve of ANY marriage. Our forefathers KNEW the dangers of religion and therefore DID degree a separation of church and state (and you that call yourselves 'Consitutionalists' do not try and twist history to fit your warped belief). You are walking a slippery slope because if you keep it up somewhere along the line someone will put a bill in that will get rid of the special rights that marriaged hetrosexuals get by FORCING the nation to not recognize ANY marriage - ONLY Civil Unions (which, in reality, is all that it should be recognizing anyway!)

All this law does is change the LEGAL definition of marriage so that rights and obligations that have been previously granted only to a select group of people is extended to cover all groups of people. It does not change religious tenets. It will not affect anyone's faith in their religion. It will not cause perversion to run rampant in society. It will not cause organized religion to crumble and disappear. Everyone on this thread who opposes this law seem to be doing so on the basis that it undermines (or has the potential to undermine) their religious beliefs and is contradictory to their religious teachings about traditional marriage. Those reasons reinforce why this bill needs to pass. Government should not be in the business of sanctioning particular religious beliefs that only a segment of the population follow. This state was founded on religious freedom and choice. We do not live in a caste system. Homosexuals are not the untouchables in our society no matter how badly a segment of the population feel that they should be. If the legislature doesnt pass this bill, the original law is state-sponsored discrimination that serves neither a legitimate state interest or, as I think it should be reviewed, a compelling state interest. This bill needs to pass, or the original law needs to be struck and no one should be entitled to benefits.

This is an issue I've prayerfully considered for a long time. While I personally interpret some of the Bible verses people use to support the view that homosexuality is a sin a bit differently, I can't deny that some verses DO seem to do so. Which bothers me because it seems to be kind of against my vision of God as a loving, welcoming Father.

I do believe the Bible was written by God, but it was also translated and edited by HUMANS (they've had many conferences to decide what becomes Biblical canon and what doesn't, and in the Jewish tradition rabbis would often take people who were mentioned briefly in passing and write a whole history for them). So, because humanity was so heavily involved in the process, and because humans are imperfect, I could see some of the things God wanting to say getting lost in translation. But I'm not positive one way or the other.

That's the point- we don't really know EXACTLY what God intended or what He desires. And besides- it's not our place to judge. That's God's job, and if we earnestly pray to Him He will make His will done on this, and any other, issue.

Ms Kathy....not too late to change your mind.....I am happy my grand kids do not live it his state. the old goat herder have a good day......

Come on Jeff , You just proved my point! The point about getting nasty to others that don't share your views. look at the hate you just put out to Hose Maneth. Let's try to be civil. ( No pun intended) :-) This will not be settled here, nor after a vote , this will be over and done with when the rapture and judgement day comes . Maybe take some clues from Kblue , He knows how to debate an issue without getting nasty . come on Jeff , Ease up a little

Read the Constitution Vote with the Constitution or Vote against it. Those of you not voting for the Constitution need to go.

Oh , by the way Jeff, I am not against interracail marrage. My God daughter is married to a Black man. and a very good buddy of mine is black with a white wife. By the way. He is opposed to this too. Look back at what I said about Cain and Able. And Tom. you are right. God will know my heart and I do not need to take the goading from you. And I did not forget that God knows that. I thought of you higher than that.

Kathy,
I campaigned for you virtually every time you ran for election because your seemed to espouse my values system. I will now be your opponent's campaigner and you will not win because you didn't listen to your constituents. I am Baltimore County Democrat but my face is turning RED over this issue. Look to see how this county is turning RED, it is because the Constitution and the Bill of Rights don't seem to matter to today's Democrats.
Bye Bye Democratic Party!
CJ

You do have the same rights as any one else. you can marry any woman that would have you. and Yes , if you read back , I do have gay friends , and yes I have been married for 26 years, more that any gay unions I know , and I now a few. They may not be married or legal but living together as a couple. and then you attack me because I type in a hurry and did not check before I hit send. I can do the same. But, I will not lower myself to your level. Kathy was the only Dem. I voted for . I should have stayed with my party lines like they have for years. when you start tearing down someone else and name calling , you have gone too far .

One thing that NO ONE who is against the right of gay marriage can ever tell me is this: If my next-door neighbors are married homosexuals, how can that ever damage the power, validity or well-being on my marriage, my family.
It can't.

Thank you Sen. Klausmeier, for standing up for equal marriage rights for all Marylanders.

It is obvious that this subject has touched the nerves of many people. I feel that many people who are against equal marriage rights for all Marylanders are hiding behind their religious beliefs. Marriage is a legal contract (one has to get a license at the courthouse) and religion need not be involved. As for the negative comments to and about Kathy....I applaud her as do many others for taking a stand knowing that so many people will now turn their backs on her; her decision speaks volumes!

Do all of you realize that NO one will ever win with this subject, but that the only solution is a compromise? I think that the lawmakers who are willing to go out on a limb with this are brave and have thought long and hard before making what ever decisions needed to come to a solution. Whether or not we are in favor with gay marriage or if it is "right or wrong - bible or no bible", the issue will never go away until we settle on a compromise. NO side will be completely happy with gay marriage. Allowing them to marry will NOT hurt anyone! Same as allowing an 18 year old man to marry a 80 year old woman. It is NOT going to affect us, only them!

Bravo to Senator Klausmeier. She did the right thing to ensure that each of us is treated equally under the law. Everyone is entitled to their own religious beliefs, however much I might personally disgree with them. However, in this country we will go down a very dangerous path if we allow religious belief to deny people rights granted to the majority. May I just offer most of the Middle East as an example of the havoc that results when religion is used to dictate law?

Pick the origin. Koran or Bible

1He who loves his son will whip him often, so that he may rejoice at the way he turns out.
2He who disciplines his son will profit by him, and will boast of him among acquaintances.
…
7Whoever spoils his son will bind up his wounds, and will suffer heartache at every cry.
8An unbroken horse turns out stubborn, and an unchecked son turns out headstrong.
13Discipline your son and make his yoke heavy, so that you may not be offended by his shamelessness.

He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him (Proverbs 13:24).

Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him (Proverbs 22:15).

Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him with the rod, he will not die (Proverbs 23:13).

The rod of correction imparts wisdom, but a child left to himself disgraces his mother (Proverbs 29:15).

Bible does not condone slavery.
It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw slavery altogether.

All are in the Bible. Luckily, most of society does not follow the literal INTERPRETATION of the Bible. Otherwise, child abuse and slavery would be ok.

Peace, Love and Compassion

"Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble."
1 Peter 3:8

"So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brother's way."
Romans 14:12-13 (KJV)

“Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn others, or it will all come back against you. Forgive others,
and you will be forgiven."
Luke 6:37 (NLT)

"Thus hath Jehovah of hosts spoken, saying, Execute true judgment, and show kindness and compassion every man to his brother"
Zechariah 7:9 (ASV)

"Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?"
Romans 2:1-3 (KJV)

I will bet that Fred Schillfarth is a Republican and didn't vote for Kathy and wouldn't vote for her if she did vote against the marriage proposal.

Here are some questions.
How many sex change operations are there per year?
Does the government change the gender of that person on their records?

How many babies are born that are considered (inter) sexes, having partially or fully developed pairs of female and male sex organs. Intersexed is prefered over the word hermaphrodite.
Who can they marry?
Babies that are born with both male and female sexual organs, or characteristics of both organs, are called hermaphrodites or intersex. A child who is in an intersex state is classified in one of three categories: 1) true hermaphrodite – an infant born with both ovaries and testicles and has both male and female sex organs. 2) female pseudohermaphrodite – a genetic female with male external sex organs. 3) male pseudohermaphrodite – genetic male with external sex organs that fail to develop properly, resulting in female or male/female physical characteristics.
In times past, doctors would perform surgeries without first testing the infant to find out its true sex, and the child would sometimes grow up very obviously a man, with female genitalia. Now, specialists can perform an ultrasound, blood test, chromosome analysis, and even do exploratory surgery to find out the baby's true sex.

How does the Bible address this? Toss a coin?

Best response to the Bible quoter's I have ever seen.. http://poopbutterflies.com/2011/02/we-all-question-what-we-are-told/

Everyone wants to rule the world. No one makes a conscience decision to be gay. I think it is a hard and difficult life. Look at all this commotion this conversation has started. In my opinion there are more serious issues to work on. Live and let live and let the man upstairs to be the judge.

While running for office I spoke with many people who are gay and want the same rights as married couples. Running as a Republican, some may think that I would be staunchly against a law that would permit civil unions. I am not against the idea at all, however I do support the argument that legally calling these couples married is a step toward diminishing the Biblical meaning of the word 'Marriage'.
As with any good and long lasting law, compromising from both sides is critical. While some will still, in casual conversation, call a legally joined gay couple married, legally it should remain listed as a civil union. Might I even suggest a few other options: Coupled; Mated; Merged; or Bonded. Whatever it is that we end up legally calling it, I believe it is a good idea to allow gay men and women to enjoy the same legal rights as any other married couple.

Steve Smith - Former Candidate for District 11 Delegate

Jeff and Tom, I thank you for your replies; allow me to assure you that I do not let religious beliefs control my every thought. I stepped away from the Catholic religion when I was 19 and went on a long journey in search of other religious views. I explored Judaism, Buddhism, Islam, Baptist, Agnostics, Atheism and others. My political views are based on my diverse understand and respect for people of every belief. I choose to examine a proposed change in political laws with an open mind, but I understand that pleasing everyone is impossible. This is why I seek out compromise when possible.
Jeff, you mentioned the "Separation of Church and State". As a student (and independent educator) on American History I have researched the "Separation" statement. The only place it appears in any part of our history is through a written communication between Thomas Jefferson and the Baptist community. The intention of Thomas Jefferson was to make it clear that the State shall remain out of the Church, yet the Church should remain active in the issues of the State. Our Founding Fathers were very religious men and their diverse and devoted religious beliefs shaped our founding documents. The 'Bill of Rights' itself reflects the guiding principles of the '10 Commandments'.
(Continued)
Steve Smith - Former Candidate for District 11 Delegate

Jeff and Tom, I question the motives of people when they ask for large groups of others to "Understand" and "Accept" the request they make when asking for a Law to be passed.

The gay population is asking for a majority of the overall population (of Maryland and the U.S.) to 'compromise' their own moral beliefs to satisfy the significantly smaller number of U.S. citizens who are gay. In the interest of fairness, it seems that requesting the gay population accept the changing of the word 'marriage' to a more accepting word or phrase would be a way to move forward on this issue. I would not suggest that your rights (as a legally conjoined couple) would be any less than that of a couple under traditional marriage laws.

I do not, therefore, suggest that you compromise on your rights, only on the wording of the actual act of joining two individuals into a legally conjoined couple.

Steve Smith - Former Candidate for District 11 Delegate

So, then Steven Smith, you believe that an "insignificant minority" deserves no rights? Well then, Sir, I must say that I am VERY glad that you are merely a former candidate and nothing more. And, fyi, Steven Smith, you do not know my own sexual orientation. You might be shocked to learn that it isn't what you evidently think it is. Again, I will rejoice that are merely a "former candidate." Try and keep it that way, ok? Thanks.

Not sure where your other post went, Steven, that accused me of twisting your words. I do not need to twist your words. You claim that a small minority shouldn't clamor for rights. Blacks use to be such a minority. The majority was being asked to allow them to marry (they weren't allow to!). The majority was being asked to let them vote (they weren't allowed to). The majority was being asked to let them won property - and not BE property. So in what you claim is "crystal clear" (the post I received in my mailbox but not see on this board) is actually ABSOLUTELY MURKY. Good thing you weren't around during the civil war. You would be a confederate based on your beliefs about "insignificant minorities."

Stop devaluing people based on the word. It isn't just very unbecoming but it is becoming disgusting AND laughable. Again, I am glad that you are just a "former candidate" because I would make absolutely sure that I ran against you. I'm out of this conversation. You can't convince a brick to be any more than a brick can be. So go ahead and "chose your wording carefully" to make yourself feel good, Steven.

Ah - and now it shows up on the screen so folks can see what I was replying to. Good. Now I feel better about bowing out of the conversation. I don't like stumbling blocks placed in my path and you have become that, Steven (oh, there goes a little Biblical quoting for you). Enjoy your lopsided conversation. I've said all that I need to say.

It's a good thing these posts are permanent, they will be of use in the future.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/future-us-history-students-its-pretty-embarrassing,19099/

My concern is not whether it is the right thing to do or is not the right thing to do----I am simply curious about the notation that Senator Klausmeier said she wasn't sure how her decision would be received in her district, which includes Perry Hall, Parkville and Overlea Yikes!!! Am I hearing that she is not listening to her constituents? Very strange. Perhaps they agree or not - either way, she is not listening. Yikes again!!! Is this a telling example for our State. I hope not on all levels and on both sides of the aisle. Not listening to constituents or considering their feelings one way or the other is definitely not the wave of the future at the political table ---I think!!!

Another concern: Is the state of marriage a religous decision? If so - why is government being maneuvered to get involved? I thought separation of religion and state is something very big on the agenda of the ACLU but I don't hear their usually very audible voices. Or - am I confused????? Oh never mind - it probably has to do with taxes, exemptions, etc. I get it, I get it....

Good grief - have I had my feelings hurt? And by someone who is "not at rest" poor darling? All this new "internet language" is so, so new. Now I am really confused honey child!!!

Michael T.

Senator Klausmeier is a representative of the people. And, in {I believe} almost every state of America the vote of the people by a majority of between 65% - 85% {depending upon the state}, the people have voted for Marriage to be protected and to be between a man and a women.

What is being confused here is a definition. Marriage can never be between two men, between two women or any other combination other than a man and a woman.
** It is then not marriage ! **

YES - I believe that those who decide to share their lives together and make a union should be afforded civil union protections. To share and inherit property if they chose, to invest with each other and to be able to be at each others bed-side at such critical times as needed.

However, if Senator Klausmeier continues to vote for legislation based on the comments of a few, of twenty or of several hundred loud voices; then she is not really representing her full constituency - is she ?

Argh. Ok, I gotta jump back it (doggone it!)

Michael T: For what reason is there to be a separation in rights???? Biblical? You can't use that - it;s unConstitutional for our nation to sanction anything for religious reasons. Because of Websters dictionary? No, because the dictionary does not dictate our rights (and besides, Websters definition includes unions between same or opposite genders). So then, for what purpose would be deny people the exact same rights? Because of Fear? Not a Constitutionally recognized reason. Therefore, there is NO basis - whether the majority does or doesn't agree - to deny a minority the exact same rights. For the Senator to vote any other way would be a vote against the Constitution of Maryland, the Constitution of the United States of America and against American's themselves.

I quote:

Steven Smith
4:49pm on Monday, February 21, 2011
Jeff and Tom, I question the motives of people when they ask for large groups of others to "Understand" and "Accept" the request they make when asking for a Law to be passed.

The gay population is asking for a majority of the overall population (of Maryland and the U.S.) to 'compromise' their own moral beliefs to satisfy the significantly smaller number of U.S. citizens who are gay.

If significantly smaller doesn't equate to "insignificant" in your mind then how in the world can we get you to understand that the our country is founded on the idea that "All men are created equal" and are entitled to "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" and that "but only if you are straight" doesn't apply?????????? Wow, Steven. Wow. Stop trying to draw me into your argument. I'm not interested until you try to run for office again. Seriously.

Unrest - needs a rest, poor darling.

Calling a sin a sin does not mean I hate someone. In fact, if done tactfully and with genuine care it is really an act of love. Not in a judgmental way, but reminding them that God sees all and will judge us all for the sins we commit against him. Hatred should play no role in this discussion. We are all sinners and no one sin is worse than any other. A white lie is just as bad as murder. Homosexuals are guilty of the same sin we've all been guilty of which is sexual immorality. Pointing out sin in someone's life is meant to make them aware that they are breaking God's law. Hopefully, they will then repent and trust God to fight the battle for him or her.

Jeff, I attach my name and the fact that I ran for elected office to identify myself. It is not intended to brag or to add more legitimacy to my opinions. I find placing it at the end of my posts makes it easy for others to track my statements and assure that I am consistant in my viewpoints. I believe that every voter should have the opportunity to verify what the candidate has said on certain topics. Also, much like signing a contract (Name and Title) in business, it is a sign that I stand behind what is contained herein.
I will continue to sign my posts in the same manner so that I create a clear and understandable track record of my opinions for the voters to review should I decide to run for office again.
I made a promise to stay in touch with the voters in a public and accessable manner. Patch.com allows me a convenient way to follow through on this promise. Ask yourself how many people who won their elections actually keep their promises.
Oh, and as far as considering me a failure for not winning, I ran an honest race that managed to garner 13,647 votes. This was my first race and that total, in terms of political campaigns, is quite an achievement. I am proud of the fact that I placed my name on the ballot, win or lose I gave it a shot!

Steve Smith - Former Candidate for District 11 Delegate

I do not agree with the gay marriage law. I also feel homosexuality is a perversion made legal and everyone is forced to tolerate it. What people do behind closed doors is their business. Don't shove it down everybody's throat. I don't want to see two people of the same sex making out in public, anymore than I want to see heterosexuals doing that. If people want to live together -- be it heterosexual or homosexual (as in common law marriage) and want the same legal rights as married people (marriage penalty and all), then the State ought to look into recognizing common law marriages/unions.

With all that being said, this is all a generational thing and homosexuality has become more socially acceptable to the younger generation than it is to the older group. Time will tell how this all plays out.

Time will also tell how many gay "marriages" end in divorce. Gay relationships end like heterosexual relationships.

A note about politicians... Politicians are only looking for the vote in the next election, so they will support something (no matter what it is) even if it is wrong, just so they get the vote; and they will change their mind at will. If someone has a strong conviction about something, then they can't be swayed one way or another and will stand up for what they feel is right, now matter what the outcome. At the end of the day, they will know in their heart they did the right thing.

That is my 2 cents.

Kathy the Die is cast. we wish you well in your retirement.

Oh Ms Kathy , Kathy< Kathy are you sleeping well these nights?........God works in mysterious ways........ The old goat header knows...he has been there and it......we all wish you well but only God knows your heart.... we only pray for God's will
the Overlea Old Goat .....I still vote.......

I remember reading in the Bible of Sodom and Gomorrah being ruined by God because of sin (Homosexual) God has that right to bless or not to bless a union. Just because some want civil rights does not make it right by God or alot of Christians and Catholics. God created Man and Women not two of the same sex.
If you don't want to bring in the Bible to this topic just think of this. It takes a Man and Women to have a Baby and that is right. You cannot go against human biology, science knows it is not possible to have a Baby with the same sex union. That is perverse. In quoting a family member can Father and Daughter/ Mother and Son get married soon? What about Nambla Organizations? May God help who allows Him to help.
Revelation 22:7, 18- 21
1 Peter
Mark 8

Change, as inevitable as it is, always hurts. This will probably go to referendum with a subsequent defeat. However, this will undoubtedly return and legal recognition of gay marriage will be put into some sort of law; whether it be 2, 4 or maybe 10 years. What seems to be more "natural" than anything else is the proclivity humans have for change and having enough faith to overcome our fears. "Fear of the future causes us to lean against and cling to the present - faith in the future renders us receptive to change." - Eric Hoffer, "The Nature of Mass Movements"

I would like to suggest something to all those that are using quite a bit of energy quoting the Bible and God's word (which was, as I have said before, written by man). Take that energy and volunteer at a soup kitchen, help the homeless, volunteer at at a hospital, etc. That is Jesus' true work. Help people that actually need your help. Those of us that believe in Marriage Equality and Homosexuality (God made me this way, sorry!) do not need to hear your preaching. Use your talents and energy to really help other in need.

I am currently waiting for the next training session for the southern Baptist Disaster relief mission. I also was a Volunteer fire man for over 16 years and thinking of getting back into it once more. I have been an EMT on an ambulance and got my first certification as an Ambulance Technician as a Junior in High School while . I was certified For Heavy Rescue by U of MD.
I have risked my neck for people that I did not know. That is why I am very offended when I am told that I am spewing hate just because I don’t believe the same way that you do. And By the way! Bea Gaddey knew me personally. I would take her donations and did some concrete work for her at one of her shelters. How much have you done? So I think I am doing God’s work and will continue as I feel I am Called.

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Maybe if you would not talk as much and start listing more maybe you would learn a little bit too. I apologize if I am getting a little frustrated ,But with some of your comments I wonder how many times you have gotten out of a warm bed and go down the road in the cold to save a life or fight a fire in someone’s home. I had a little 5 year old girl die in my arms and I could do nothing about it. I ‘ll be honest and open about. I cried for almost a week after that. That was over 20 years ago and I now have a tear in my eye thinking about it again.
I had a 89 year old lady last year that was like a extra Grandmother to My wife and I pass away as I held her hand and prayed with her as died from Breast Cancer. DON”T tell me I have no heart and I spew hatred . And then you try to interpret that passage about throwing stones.

Neversure and Cnick , Did I share enough NOW.

Fred, thank you for your service to our communities!
I share a tear with you as I remember those who I comforted as they passed away.

It seems that some choose to get abusive and accusatory during these conversations. I have had to defend my own words at times. Patch.com offers a great venue for us citizens to discuss these important issues (rationally) and for elected officials and candidates to learn how we truly feel (if they bother to read them). While I know that there will be those angry comments from time to time, I know that most will use reason and logic, morals and principles in their postings.

Steve Smith - Former Candidate for District 11 Delegate

CKnick,

I challenge you to find a quote of mine where I was abusive to you. I understand and accept that God created each of us. I have yet to see proof that being homosexual is instilled at birth, I personally think that society has a strong influence on the choices we all make, but I do not question someone’s belief when they state that they were born gay.

I have never stated that being gay is a sin or a mistake. I have friends who are gay and they know that I do not pass judgment upon them or any others. Judgment is not for me to pass upon others, it is between them and God.

I understand that the United States Government (under Obama) has released statistics that 12% of the population is gay. I do not question those figures, but I do accept the argument that it could be a higher number given those who are, "still in the closet" on the issue. I invite people to accept who they are; I am not one to stand in the way of others choices.

I consider my words very carefully before posting them or speaking. I am not afraid to apologize when necessary, but I will defend myself when I am accused incorrectly of something that I am not guilty of.

Steve Smith – Former Candidate for District 11 Delegate

Sir,

You have not been abusive to me .personally, but while you do not think your statements are hateful, they are hateful to me as a gay man. I am offended when people do not think that I deserve the same rights as everyone else. That is the bottom line. You have said that Civil Unions for Gays is okay but Marriage is not. For me, separate but equal is not enough and any comments like that is hateful to me. Sorry, but I have been treated as a second class citizen for too long and I am just tired of it. Walk a day in my shoes...I doubt you would last 5 minutes.

Killi,

I can only speak for my self and my gay friends. My partner of 11 years and I want to be married as well as my friends, many of whom have been with their partners for over 30 years. The legal benefits and protections are the primary goal here yes, but having a different name for it such as a Civil Union says it is separate and not equivalent to the contract heterosexuals enter into, marriage.

I agree with you that when the government began sanctioning marriage, it no longer became a religious matter, so there should be no religious argument against civil marriages, gay or straight.

Lastly, I just want to say that I was a bit offended by your "Friends With Benefits License". My partner and I are a loving couple that work hard and live our lives as best we can. To trivialize it by calling people in our situation Friedns With Benefits is insulting.

CKnick

It is not just a word; it is the meaning behind the word. For many centuries around the world the word ‘marriage’ has meant the union of a man and a woman.

I am one of a very few who understand where you are coming from. I have a few friends and several acquaintances who are gay. We have discussed this issue over several years starting back when I was a teenager myself. For nearly 30 years this issue has been in my mind and a topic of discussion. I have formed an opinion that is very well thought out. While I do not expect you to understand me, I definitely understand you.

A few years ago I was having a meeting with gay and non-gay members of a community. One gay man stood up and said, “I can accept calling a gay legal union by another word or phrase, as long as gay couples have the same rights as do traditionally married couples.” He continued, “I can understand that asking the non-gay community to accept the use of the word ‘marriage’ to define a gay couples’ legal union would be like asking the gay community to go straight.”

It took me some time, and a few more meetings to completely accept what he was saying. Ultimately he told me that a word change would be acceptable to him as long as the rights and privileges would be extended to him also.

Steve Smith – Former Candidate for MD District 11 Delegate

Tom Barnes,
in the Bible it says, "Jesus said," You who have no sin cast the first stone, " Yes Jesus also picked up the Women to her feet and said, "Go and Sin no more."
I live by the Bible and how The Holy Bible teaches about God the best to my ability. I also work for a wonderful Organization. I take my kids to church with family.
I will now end this, good night

No Michelle Blevins- you live in ARROGANCE because you READ the Bible - it's not that you LIVE the Bible. You live in ARROGANCE with your VERSION of what a 'Christian' is. Am I suppose to give you a cookie, Michelle Blevins, for all your listed accomplishments about how wonderful you are???? I'm certainly not looking for one... why are you? Wait, let me arrogantly protest your life by proclaiming mine!!! I take my kids to church. I am also a former seminary student. I am alos afoster adoptive parent. I also work for a wonderful organization. <finger pop> All you listed - ARROGANCE and BACK PATTING of yourself. Did you break your arm? HUMBLE YOURSELF.

Boy Tom Barnes, Talk about ARROGANCE. Are you not doing the same thing that you are condeming in others that don't agree with you. Now I know why you are a former Seminary student . I guess that you did not make it as well as you said that Steve did not make it.

I don't trumpet a God and a Bible and Christianity, Fred Shillfarth, and pound my chest about all of my wonderfulness, so get over the tit-for-tat. Nice try to goad me, not working. The three of you puff up your chests way to much. Not within the caliber inwhich I operate.

Thanks for the laugh Fred. I mean Adamn.

I am openly gay and live with my boyfriend in the heart of dundalk we fly a gay pride flag in our front yard. I moved here from out west and have had nothing but open arms for the poeple of dundalk even big straight men who call us friends. We pay our taxes and keep our houses and yards neat and clean. I just keep thinking about the song "we shall overcome" . I believe that someday it will happen but I'm not going to force anything on anyone, people will make up their minds when they are ready. I really don't need a paper to tell me who i plan to spend the rest of my life with the law already covers him in my estate.

Marriage is between a man and a woman. I pray that our delagates come to their senses and realize that besides the moral issues. Gay sex is unnatural. I will politely call it the "ICK Factor" of what happens between gay men. It simply causes serious health problems. The avg life expectancy of a of a male smoker in the US is 66 years old. The average life expectancy of a gay male is 44. Is it a healthy and natural thing? I belief not! I will pray for people to come to their senses.

Tim Anderson,
You know what? I rarely say things like this but you are a true idiot. If you don't want sex with another guy, then don't have sex with another guy. Perhaps you are spending too much time thinking/dreaming/fantasizing about this subject?

Your facts are also wrong about life expectancy but don't let lies get in the way of your bigoted thoughts.

None of what you have to say has anything at all to do with granting civil rights to people who merely want to love and take care of each other. Nor does anything you say apply to lesbians. Are you Ok with lesbians marrying because it's less of an "ick"factor?

Your religious beliefs and your prayers are irrelevant to a matter of law and civil rights.

I'm tired of trying to politely point these things out to people. Get educated, get a clue and stop being a backward, hateful individual.

Let me get this straight...Charlie Sheen can make a "porn family", Kelsey Grammer can end a 15 year marriage over the phone, Larry King can be on divorce #9, Britney Spears had a 55 hour marriage, Jesse James and Tiger Woods, while married, were having sex with EVERYONE. Yet, the idea of same-sex marriage is going to destroy the institution of marriage? Really?

OK ,This has been on facebook for a couple of days now. How about something original?

Terri, I did not name call . I did not Did you? Did I hit a nerve? The truth has a tendency to do that. I wonder why the rage. Why the attack? I sense guilt or dis-ease. How is calling someone an idiot and hinting "falsely" that they have gay tendencies "polite". I am hardly an ill-educated, bigoted, backward, hateful individual. If ever got to know me you might not say such mean spirited things. I am available to meet you any Sunday at 10:00 am, St. Timothy's on Ingleside Ave. .... Jesus Loves You Whether You Like It or Not

Tim Anderson,
Yes, you hit a nerve. The nerve you hit is my "irritated by people living in the dark ages" nerve.As an intelligent, educated person who also believes in a higher power, I know that the claptrap you espouse , is just that-claptrap. Cloak yourself in whatever misreading of the Bible you want to, but try a bit harder to wrap your brain around the fact that in this country, there is separation of Church and state. You words reveal you to be a bigot. Sorry the truth hurts you so.

Terri, What higher power is there than the Holy Trinity, God Jesus + the Holy Spirit? None :) The dark ages are those times someone lives their life without the grace that God gave us through the sacrifice of his Son Jesus Christ. You are right I must be fool ... a nobody.... "Isn't is obvious that God deliberately chose men and women the culture overlook and exploits and abuses, chose these "nobodies" to expose the hollow pretensions of the "somebodies"?.... Everything that we have- right thinking and right living, a clean slate and a fresh start- comes from God by way of Jesus Christ." 1 Cor 28-30 The Message