I think it's a great idea David. The contribution that Baltimore County had in the war of 1812 has always been underplayed. The outcome nost likely would not have been as positive if not for the tenacity and patriotisim of those that fought the Battle of North Point. The killing of Brittish General Ross during the Battle of North Point was a major factor in our success at Hampstead Hill the very next day.

People have seen the names around town - Stricker, Armistead, McComas and others but few realize what an important part they played protecting the freedoms we enjoy today.

One of the important issues is that we WON! Now there is still a lot of work too be done to showcase our communities in the proper light.

Where did you go to school? The US didn't win the War of 1812. We started the war by invading Canada which didn't work out too well. The British invaded and burned down our Capitol. You call that a "win"?

There are these really cool places scattered around the county that are full of books. They are called Libraries. You should visit one. The US Declared war and invaded British North America aka Canada.. That didn't turn out so well, Canada is still there and still intact. The British had to show us a lesson so they came here and burned down Washington DC. They almost captured New Orleans but they forgot their ladders (thats another story). After they burned down our Capitol to reinforce who is boss, they sailed back to Europe to continue fighting the real war against Napoleon. We were just a distraction.
The British had no intention of taking the US over.

The better question is.... What flag is Canada flying? Because it sure isn't the Stars and Stripes.

"They almost captured New Orleans but they forgot their ladders ,,,". Now that is a classic.

I guess they almost forgot the war to. Another treasured quote, "to reinforce who is boss, they sailed back to Europe to continue fighting the real war against Napoleon. We were just a distraction." If we were just a distraction why was it called the War of 1812.

Why take the bus to the library (books are outdated) when you can use a computer, i.e. Google. I think it gives you a bit of an edge in research. Reading and comprehension skills are required at the library. You have to know how to get there.

If they had no intention of winning the war they went to a lot of trouble to spank us, don't you think. Why would they split their forces back in those days to come over here in ships with sails. Maybe they wanted to say - Hey, what's up?

We lost the cities of Buffalo and Detroit amongst others and they burned down Washington DC. They had their hands tied in the Napoleanic Wars.

"Reading and Comprehension skills are required at the library" but they are not on the internet ??? Don't they both deal with the printed word??

There are more printed words on the computer than in books. More words to research.

I'll let it slide cause I know you like the pictures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812

"There are more printed words on the computer than in books....." Do you have a link for that or did you just make it up?

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/06/the-warts-of-1812-the-unglamorous-truth-about-a-hyped-up-war/258614/

From your article: "While it's impossible to look at America today and see many recognizable kernels of our 19th century former self, the two eras have some important features in common. Both are periods of political polarization, sectionalism, and economic uncertainty -- all looming like a shadow over our sense of national purpose. But while the War of 1812 did succeed in boosting the country's self-esteem and enabled its drive to expand westward, today's America has yet to find its new frontier."

As I said the U.S. has been involved in numerous campaigns that did not go well. If the South had won the civil war that would have had a significant on our history, but they did not.

We'll continue this latter, I'm going to the gym.

War of 1812: Canadians consider it a victory for repelling American expansionism. Americans consider it a victory for repelling a British invasion. The British don't consider it at all.

Thats the way it is. It certainly can't be construed as a "Win". From Beeker's own link:

" Scholars hold that the war constituted a British victory and an American defeat. They argue that the British achieved their military objectives in 1812 (by stopping the repeated American invasions of Canada) and that Canada retained her independence of the United States. By contrast, they say, the Americans suffered a defeat when their armies failed to achieve their war goal of seizing part or all of Canada. Additionally, they argue the US lost as it failed to stop impressment, which the British refused to repeal until the end of the Napoleonic Wars, and the US actions had no effect on the orders in council, which were rescinded before the war started."

David,
Lest this gets lost in the dialogue above, I think you have a great idea and encourage you to pursue it.

American politicians offered a false pretext for invading another country then whipped the country into a patriotic fervor to justify their lies.

The end result - the senseless slaughter of American troops.

I'd suggest instead of naming a bridge we hoist the Iraq flag in Patriots Plaza since this country suffers from such historical illiteracy we are unable to learn from our past.

4:20 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012

I have not and never stated support for any military intervention other than WW II.

Remember we were an isolationist nation prior to that. Had we been more astute the outcome could have been different.

Remember the Alamo?

Rob, good point.

Steve until you learn to spell correctly I will not respond to your remarks. You're slipping into your old ways.

What in the Hell are you talking about? Who are you to comment on anybody's spelling?
I was just correcting the fact that you claimed the US "won" the War of 1812 which was inaccurate.

"From Beeker's own link", if it was a typo than I apologize because I make them to. The L is next to the K so it could be an honest mistake. I just wanted to be sure.

Civilized, adult discourse.

While Steve and Buzz go on!
I would like to say BRAVO David GREAT Idea !
Can I help?
Cyndy from Ridgeleigh

Buzz, Steve is right. To paraphrase your comment, "What flag is flying over Canada?". The Canadian flag, right? Well, if we'd won the war, they'd be flying the US flag. Because that's what it was all about, conquering Canada, because most of our other beefs had been settled by diplomacy before the war was over. BTW, if England wasn't busy with France at the time, and had been able to devote their full resources on us, that war, which ended in at most a draw for us, could have ended much worse. I am a History teacher, and can assure you that war was a big mistake.

Arolow, your comment regarding this quote is not history but conjecture; "could have ended much worse." History is facts. According to the news this evening they called it a draw as to the allied relationship between our nations.

Steve makes the same assumptions (not recorded as history) as you do.

We have won and lost numerous conflicts that have not resulted in territorial land grabs as in WW II.

Another conjecture quote: "BTW, if England wasn't busy with France at the time, and had been able to devote their full resources on us, ..."

As I said, history is based on facts including the Canadian flag flying over their country and the Stars and Stripes flying over the U.S.

Like I said before Buzz, go to the library and research before you make a fool out of yourself.

The cons of the library:

Resources can be checked out by other patrons and, therefore, may not always be available.

A library's publications cannot provide up-to-the-minute news and information the way Web sites can.

Closes after hours.

Did these come from a library Steve? There your links. Or should we refer them to them as link-a-braies.

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/article/245223--multiculturalism-is-a-success-story-so-stop-whining

I could list more and just one is on the topic at hand, one that you chose.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/06/the-warts-of-1812-the-unglamorous-truth-about-a-hyped-up-war/258614/

What library did that come from? You change names and photos faster than I can type.

I'm always two steps ahead of you. By the way where is your history teacher buddy? I don't here any rebuttal.

What does this have to do with the topic ?

You are not two steps ahead of anybody. You've got mental issues.

"Like I said before Buzz, go to the library and research before you make a fool out of yourself." This is your quote. You do use the word library as does you history teacher buddy.

I responded with facts related to the library and how you obtain your information and that sir is part of these comments.

If you're not doctor then you look rather foolish diagnosing me.

You brought this whole issue of the library up, not me remember.

9 posts ago you promised not to respond to my remarks.

Can you please keep your promise?

I don't get you. You follow me around like lost soul and respond to everything I write, and when I respond to in return, you get annoyed.

The comment I made was in response to you spelling my name wrong a coupe of times. If you were doing it on purpose I would not respond. I looked at it (Beeker) and saw the L was close to the K and thought it might be typo.

I you don't want me to respond than don't answer my comments. It's as simple as that.

Will somebody please pay the ransom and rescue this thread from these two?

Isn't that what you meant too do. Rescue the thread from me. That's two comments that are off topic you've made. Do I need to rescue the thread from you?

If people want to single me out as a target then I am well capable of responding in an articulated response.

I made a comment in the beginning of this thread and became a target. Would you rather that Councilman Marks write a blog with no comments. Have we heard form Ms. Eisenrauch since her one and only comment on this site? No! She wants to know if she can help? She has offered no other suggestions, other than her fist comment on this entire site period. She wants to bring me into it than that is her choice, just as it is mine to respond.

This site is capable of a ton of comments on this or any other topic. I think it's called freedom of speech.

I support this site. I write and comment on it. I support it on the Sun Talk Board. All is fare in love and war, remember.

"form" "fist" "fare" .....and this Jamoke complains about my spelling??

History teacher Arlow what is "stoopid", (sic)? Do you mean - stupid?

Steve they are called typos. Yes I make them, we all do just like your history teacher bud Arlow. You bud just did a great job of ignoring the troll. Your bud Steve did not go to the library for his research, he used a link.

Hey Bart, what all of sudden you have become an editor with Patch or you just want to seem important. Your comments are way out of line.

Let me ask you a couple of questions. Your comment you just posted, what did it have to do with the topic at hand? Nothing, so why post it. That is the pot calling the kettle black.

Number two, how many times have you commented on this site? Do you think I'm steeling these little blocks from others? Ever been on the Sun Talk Board? Your experience seems to be limited like that of Ms. Cynthia Eisenrauch. She too added her one cent, the only comment she has ever made on this site. Do you think people like that are good for Patch - Not!

You just stirred up the pot again. I made one comment at the beginning and get jumped on by a host of people who want to argue history, which is good, not bad.

Why don't we follow your rule and from now on when people want to comment we check with you first.

Or after Marks or anyone else blogs the first comment is "that's real neat," and we'll end it right there.

Ever bother to look at your comments on the marriage issue or other controversial topics.

Sometime you can post an insightful comment and others you miss the buss.
Trust me, there are enough of them here each person can have their own.