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Council Term Limits Discussion Coming

Councilman David Marks says he'll make good on campaign promise in first quarter of 2012.

Councilman David Marks said Monday he plans to make good on a 2010 campaign promise and introduce a bill limiting future council members to three terms.

Marks, who is ending the first year of his first term, said he will introduce the bill some time after Jan. 1 but "before budget time," which typically begins in April.

"I campaigned on it and campaigned on it clearly," said Marks, a Perry Hall Republican. "I think the others deserve an opportunity to decide the issue for themselves."

Currently, council members are not limited to the number of four-year terms they can serve.

The longest serving councilman was Vince Gardina, who ended the last of his five consecutive terms in December of 2010.

County executives are limited to two four-year terms.

Marks said his bill would limit council members to three terms beginning with the members elected in 2014.

Such a change will require amending the County Charter—a move that will require the favorable vote of five of the seven council members. Voters would then be asked to approve the change in the 2014 election.

Marks acknowledges getting council approval will be difficult.

"Clearly getting the five votes will be tough for a controversial issue like this," said Marks.

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JDStuts December 6, 2011 at 03:15 pm
Good first step. Next up should be the elimination of pensions for council members and pay increases based on the result of a referendum. You work for the people let them decide how much you are worth.
Its 2011 for heavens sake, even the largest financial firms in Maryland have eliminated pensions in lieu of the 401k. Political work does not result in an long term health implications that warrant pensions.
Michael D. Storey December 6, 2011 at 04:58 pm
Not a big fan of term limits. If the voters want it, I do not feel empowered to tell them no. The exception is the POTUS. I would, however, limit that office to one six-year term. Long enough to do some good without the need to campaign.
Buzz Beeler December 6, 2011 at 05:58 pm
Mike, look at congress. Many are career politicians and their approval rate is the lowest in decades.
Once in power it is hard for as challenger to make a run at that position based on history. The incumbent always has the advantage. I have said many times that I believe Marks is someone to watch. He is a man of reason and really cares about his constituents. I have seen him show up at events where he was the only council person to attend. To me that says as lot in this day and age. I will also say the I do not think Kamenetz is a lock for a second term. He has made a lot of decisions that you have to question. Some of his appointments left me scratching my head. You have to remember he has been in county government 16 years and involved in many of the issues that have come back to haunt his administration. Term limits will bring forth those conscientious people who really want to serve their communities without the baggage of -- power, greed, and arrogance. Look at the conditions in the capital. The game is all about the next election and the amount of money it will take to either stay in or dethrone one who is already in.
Robert Armstrong December 6, 2011 at 07:05 pm
Thats a dumb idea. We already have term limits. They are called "elections".
"condtions in the capital..." WTF does that mean????
Tim December 6, 2011 at 07:23 pm
Without real campaign finance reforms, elections are all but rigged for the incumbent.
On the local level, most people are just voting for a party, and not a person to begin with. If it weren't for the internet, television and radio, most people wouldn't have any idea who believes in what on the national level, much less county. Term limits prevent fat cats from getting too fat.
Buzz Beeler December 6, 2011 at 08:31 pm
Tim, good comment. Most people have no clue who their elected leaders are and that is the sad part.
Buzz Beeler December 6, 2011 at 08:35 pm
"Thats a dumb idea." (sic) Yes, I would say that head photo is not a good idea.
Robert Armstrong December 6, 2011 at 09:09 pm
I don't know who you associate with. Everyone I associate with knows who their elected officials are.. There aren't that many.
Buck Harmon December 6, 2011 at 09:57 pm
I agree completely Tim... serious campaign reform is the key here... term limits will only help after the greed driven corporations are excluded from the process.
Mike Pierce December 6, 2011 at 11:19 pm
Robert, you probably associate with the type of people who are concerned and interested in what goes one, thus, know who their elected officials are. But I'm sure that if you ask the common person on the street, very few could name their county and state elected representatives. I even have trouble with the state, partly because of the confusing districts that are drawn independent of recognizable boundaries. Of course, not having cities in Baltimore County adds to the confusion.
Sean Tully December 7, 2011 at 12:15 am
I think term limits are counterintuitive. The main reason people like them is because it will get rid of "career politicians". I suspect the main reason people want to get rid of career politicians is because the pols are corrupt. But if you think people will steal when they face reelection every two, four, or six years, how do you think they will act if they only have one term to loot the store?
Robert Armstrong December 7, 2011 at 12:23 am
Term limits punish the good politicians.
Buck Harmon December 7, 2011 at 12:57 am
Rigged elections place bad politicians over the truly good ones... they play by different rules it seems....
Buck Harmon December 7, 2011 at 01:00 am
Serious campaign reform must happen before public service politicians stand a chance...
Rob December 7, 2011 at 02:03 am
Term limits would open the door for real people that want to do real things for their communities, cities, counties or state. It would make the job of being a politician less attractive to someone that has no desire to be anything but a career politician and rape the citizens of all they can get. Barbra Mikulski and Dutch Ruppersberger come to mind for me.
Tim December 7, 2011 at 02:09 am
I didn't ask who you associated with, nor am I not talking about the people who post in these threads (I'd hope that would be rather obvious).
I'm talking general population in this county, state, and nation. You must know a whole bunch of senior citizens or businessmen, Robert.
Tim December 7, 2011 at 02:12 am
Sean: Party pressure should keep them in line. One term Democrat wrecks the place, and that seat's as good as lost.
Tim December 7, 2011 at 02:12 am
absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Brad Nicholson December 7, 2011 at 03:19 am
Washington D.C loves Marion Barry, how many times has he been elected to office before & after being set up. Career family politicians in Baltimore City such as the Conaway family living in Baltimore City/County depending on the time of day. The classic Chicago Politics machine over the last century.
If a politician truly does good work, then they can do it for the length of their term limit then move to another office to continue. William Donald Schaefer did alot for Baltimore & MD in MANY offices (Although Mayor is what is was & always will be). BTW - I'm a conservative republican (minority in MD) and respected Schaefer in what he did, he did it for the people, not the power.
Robert Armstrong December 7, 2011 at 04:27 am
Term limits would send Pat McDoughnut to the political graveyard.
Sean Tully December 7, 2011 at 05:41 am
Rob
9:03 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011 "Term limits would open the door for real people that want to do real things for their communities, cities, counties or state." What's stopping all these Mr. Smith's from going to Washington, Annapolis, or Towson now?
Sean Tully December 7, 2011 at 05:47 am
Because a majority of Washingtonians sent Barry to City Hall again and again means that I can't send my good elected official back again and again? Why is that?
Buzz Beeler December 7, 2011 at 01:47 pm
Sean, you know what is stopping Mr. Smith from going to Washington, the bus left Yorkway and his headed for Fort Howard and he has another set of Legos.
When your the only game in town you tend to stay awhile like Barry.
Buck Harmon December 7, 2011 at 02:14 pm
For every 2 years served as a political leader ~ 4 years must be served as a public service leader.......end of term.
Bart December 7, 2011 at 02:32 pm
I can think of so many more ways that elections can be made more fair: keep corporations out of the election business, strict election reform, shorten the election cycle, caps on election spending, do away with PACs.
Shame of it is that it all seems to come down to money. Money is more important than people in the current system.
Bart December 7, 2011 at 02:36 pm
Oh, but if he goes, his constituents won't be reminded nonstop about who to blame for their problems!
Diane December 8, 2011 at 01:48 am
"If absolute power corrupts absolutely, does absolute powerlessness make you pure?"
-- Harry Shearer
John L. January 15, 2012 at 03:59 pm
Didn't know there were any such thing as 'good' politicians! Three times is enough.....
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