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We're No. 1, Right?

Mitt Romney claims Masschusetts, not Maryland, tops the nation in education during a debate with President Barack Obama.

If you're a Star Wars fan, you might remember that Obi Wan Kenobi once cautioned that the truth is often colored by point of view.

I was reminded of that last night when Gov. Mitt Romney told viewers of last night's debate with President Barack Obama that his state, Massachusetts, was ranked No.1 in the country in education.

That one caught the attention of Maryland residents—including those who attended the Patch debate viewing party in Owings Mills Wednesday night. We all know that for the last four years the Free State has been ranked first in education by Education Week. Gov. Martin O'Malley has never been shy about pointing it out.

In fact, Maryland's governor was quick to take to Twitter to remind Romney about it:

"Hey, Governor @MittRomney, Maryland schools are #1 and have been for the last four years in a row. #Debates"

Enter Obi Wan.

O'Malley and Romney appear to be talking about the same Education Week rankings, so an apples to apples comparison should be possible.

The magazine this year used six key indicators to grade each state.

Maryland's number one ranking is an overall ranking with an 87.8—a solid B.

The magazine points out that Massachusetts is "tightly clustered" behind Maryland with a grade of 84.2.

Inside those numbers (the six indicators used by Education Week), Massachusetts is first in two: Chance for Success and K-12 Achievement.

So perhaps this is the hook Romney is hanging his statement on. We're kind of left to guess.

So, what does it all mean?

Maryland is first overall in the country in education, according to Education Week. Massachusetts leads in two of six categories within that same review.

And a reminder that politicians will parse the language and polls and studies to make the argument most favorable to their position.

Were you really surprised?

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Tim October 4, 2012 at 06:25 pm
The main drawback with public school is class sizes.
That's the one thing you can be guaranteed of in private schools. However, there's no qualifications for teacher quality at private schools. Yes, the more prestigious ones will have very qualified teachers, but when you go to public school, teacher qualifications are assured. There are advanced classes in public school, too. In Virginia (like Maryland, a top 5 school year in and out), we had 3 levels of class, Honors, Advanced, and Basic. Sounds like your daughter was in the wrong caliber of class. Of course, I don't know how Maryland schools work.I just know they rate as highly as the schools in Virginia so I suspect they must have something along these lines.
Tim October 4, 2012 at 06:27 pm
Wow, he's actually making his judgment based on 4th and 8th grade assessment tests?
That's it?
Tim October 4, 2012 at 06:33 pm
There are also non-religious reasons to send children to private schools. Class sizes are universally smaller, this is the biggest secular reason.
Also, let's be honest. Just because Maryland is a top 1-5 school overall in public education, it doesn't guarantee that you live in an area with a great school available. Example: If I lived in Overlea, there's no way I'd let my kid go to Overlea High School. I would definitely look at private school options then (unless my kid got into Eastern). There are several reasons to go the private school route
Laura Dykes October 4, 2012 at 06:44 pm
AMEN to that!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jeff Andrade October 4, 2012 at 07:14 pm
NAEP is THE national educational metric for measuring student educational progress across the US and is also now being used for international comparisons as well. It covers the most number of students compared to anything else out there, and it allows us to see how well states and school districts are doing over time.
JasonB October 4, 2012 at 07:17 pm
Tim - those are widely accepted as "the" measurement of success by all except the people who are against standardized testing in general. Its not like some obscrute stat, those are the numbers that most grade themselves with.
Brook Hubbard October 4, 2012 at 07:22 pm
Knowledge does not equal wisdom. You can shove every piece of academia or technical skill down the gullets of these kids, but if you also promote a culture of entitlement, disrespect, and egocentrism then it's all for nothing.
Schools should teach our kids mental abilities; parents need to teach them proper social behavior. Lets start shifting some of the blame of today's youth on the parents and not just the schools.
Brook Hubbard October 4, 2012 at 07:54 pm
Source of your statistics and claims?
According to the UN HDI, our Education Index in 2007 was #13... out of 181 countries. That is an estimate of how literate we are and how long we remain in school. According to the most recent report, our Education Index in 2011 is #4... out of 187. A recent PISA study was done and we ranked an average of #26... out of 75 countries. However, this is an average of reading, mathematics, and science; it does not take into account other knowledge. In addition, creating a comparison between the different educational systems is not reliable because of disparities in how "success" is measured. Also, your 50% of college grads has been shown to not be quite accurate. Fact checks have shown that its closer to 25% that can't find a job; another 25% find jobs that their degrees are useless.
Brook Hubbard October 4, 2012 at 07:55 pm
Do we blame the teachers for these generations behaving like that? Or the parents?
Chas October 4, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Interesting info Mr. Borns. Here in Columbus Ohio, the school board just got caught "doctoring" the attendance records to make each school look better in State of Ohio school assessments. Its a BIG issue now. Has anyone seen the dropout rates natonwide.....its shocking.
Chas October 4, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Also, it sounds like you are involved in your childs education. Lack of that nationwide is the true problem with US education; not money, not teachers.
JD1 October 5, 2012 at 02:29 am
You are dead on Jeff - don't you love how Ed Week can ignore the real stats. Folks who have no idea about the reality of schools swallow O'Malley's "#1 schools bs hook, line and sinker. Tim, go talk to a high school department chair who is up to their ears facilitating bridge projects about Maryland's #1 schools. Our kids can't even pass basic proficiency tests to graduate so they have to complete projects that are an absolute joke. Without the bridge projects, almost half of our seniors wouldn't graduate. Funny how that stat never hits the paper. Even funnier how everyone thinks they know so much about the workings of schools just because they spent 12 years (or more) in them.
Tim October 5, 2012 at 02:58 am
Jeff/Jason: Maybe it is, but it strikes me as unusual that they wouldn't factor in secondary education at all.
Tim October 5, 2012 at 03:00 am
Completely agree.
Tim October 5, 2012 at 03:13 am
I appreciate the perspective, but I personally have a tough time putting real stock in education standards that stop at 8th grade. I guess I'm in the minority. Now, if they had 11th or 12th grade assessments I'd be more interested in them.
Ed Week may be a trade paper, but let's not ignore the fact it's a non-profit, independent organization that uses broader standards then tests given to kids twice in their first 9 years of schooling. Additionally, when you see the same schools at the top year in and out, it says something positive about those states.I attended a high school in Virginia - Henrico County. It doesn't surprise me at all that Virginia is also consistently in the top 5.
Buck Harmon October 5, 2012 at 03:42 am
The curriculum plays a huge role in the quality and ratings of education. a dumbed down curriculum with high test scores still turns out dumbed down students....scores look good though. Kinda like housing....homes built to the lowest standards allowable by law are just that..low standard homes....most are sold for much more than they are worth.
JD1 October 5, 2012 at 03:52 am
And the curriculum is the least important factor - it's the quality of instruction that matters most. We have become far too concerned with test prep and performance. Teachers are teaching to tests yet 50% of graduates who go to college require remedial coursework. Forget the fact that kids are bored out of their minds...
jag October 5, 2012 at 04:23 am
Hence Obama largely trying to bypass the crap that is No Child Left Behind (teaching to the test) with his Race to the Top program (one of about 40 gazillion great programs/projects/tax cuts to come from that oh-so nefarious stimulus program) which focuses on teacher and principal effectiveness, having states come up with their own reform programs instead of passing down a Bush-like federal "my way or the highway" testing structure, as well as encouraging states to foster successful charter and private school options.
Keith Best October 5, 2012 at 12:07 pm
What makes people think a first-term senator who spent most of that first-term running for another office, is qualified to oversee the world's largest economy?
Romney ran a successful company, he was the "Chief Executive" of a successful Olympics, he even ran an entire state. Obama has proven he is in over his head, he never even ran a corner lemonade stand.
Tim October 5, 2012 at 02:13 pm
Yeah, I'm not really a fan of the current educational agenda. Then again, I wasn't a fan of the previous couple of agendas as well.
If they shut down the Deptartment of Education and let States manage it themselves, I wouldn't have a problem with it. Just set some common sense baselines. I certainly agree with you about teachers being the most important aspect of any education system.
Nicholas Aleshin October 5, 2012 at 02:40 pm
I've seen the numbers. If Maryland is #1, then we are in worse shape than I thought!
AG October 5, 2012 at 02:57 pm
The report sheds some real light on how flawed the study is. Maryland beats MA in things like "The Teaching Professions" and "School Finance".. MA beat MD in "Chance for Success". So, in MA you will get a better education. But in categories where results don't matter, MD is better.
AG October 5, 2012 at 03:31 pm
In some ways, the curriculum is VERY IMPORTANT. Many years ago, Maryland put in place "stretch spelling" and abandoned phonics in elementary school. Seeing these these kids 15-20 years later is very sad. They cannot read well! In many ways, Maryland's curriculum is counter productive and is devastating to the lives of these young adults.
Barb October 5, 2012 at 04:22 pm
Having lived in Massachusetts until age 10 or 5th grade, (a long, long time ago though) I didn't have to bring anything with me. Everything was supplied--paper, pencils, pens, even crayons! Not sure if its that way these days. The reason is that Massachusetts has township school districts not county. Town taxes went to your local schools not the town up the road. So to compare Maryland schools with Massachusetts is sort of apples and oranges.
Buck Harmon October 5, 2012 at 07:51 pm
The curriculum is as important as the quality of teacher. ..it's the tool that dictates what is being taught. If the curriculum has been created in a way that is easy to pass, then false positive grades will be given in order that the claim of being No.1 can be made.
Like herding cattle through the chute with the current process..
Al Thompson October 5, 2012 at 08:31 pm
Brian, you quote numbers for this year,,,,in case you didnt realize it, Romney hasn't been Gov. of Mass. in years. Talk about using numbers 'to make the argument most favorable to their position"
JD1 October 5, 2012 at 09:06 pm
Actually Jag - rtt is the same old crap in a different wrapper. Just a different test and a few new labels like "Common Core." All sounds great but people in the know recognize that it's all bs. Whence Feds get involved in education it turns to crap. By the way, just how do YOU measure "teacher effectiveness?" Again, sounds great but nobody seems to have an answer. I might be a great social studies teacher, but if a kid I teach has has lousy reading and writing teachers he will struggle and it has nothing to do with me. There are far too many variables that affect a kids performance to pin it down tontheneffectiveness of a single teacher. RTT sounds good to the ignorant, but is just another load of crap from the DOE.
Jeff Andrade October 5, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Tim: NAEP does assess performance of 12th graders and has done it for a national sample for many years, but the state assessments for 12th graders just started as a pilot in 2009 and only included 11 states. There are more years of data and broader state participation for the 4th and 8th grade state assessments, enabling state comparisions basically because the No Child Left Behind Act required states to participate in the NAEP for reading and math to get Title I funds. Moreover, it's important to note that state compulsory school attendance rates vary between ages 16 and 18, and high school graduation rates are only about 75 percent (with grad rates more like 50 percent in many urban high schools, like in Balitimore). So that means, once they do become more universal, the NAEP state 12th grade assessments will not reflect those students who leave school before the assessment, possibly skewing the real results for secondary education. Nonetheless, NAEP despite its limitiations, is currently the best common results yardstick out there, and Romney was on safe ground claiming that Massachusetts schools were ranked #1 among all the states, with O'Malley's counterclaim based on a private ranking system that puts much less emphasis on actual student results.
JD1 October 7, 2012 at 04:26 am
Just think how great our Maryland schools would be if we weren't burning millions of dollars in Baltimore City - the latest good news for tax payers:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-schools-legislative-audit-20121006,0,6549823.story
Nathan October 20, 2012 at 03:48 pm
jag is soooo angry...thanks for the entertainment buddy...
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