Maryland House Passes Death Penalty Repeal

1ke March 19, 2013 at 03:18 pm

Self-righteous to the bitter end, Bucky-boy. Nice to see you and Schuub back to back, both choirboys, who have always been mature, in control and putting cleanliness right next to godliness.
I think you are both self-absorbed narcissists who take great pride in making the world go limbo-low underneath the bar you set where you please.

Steve March 19, 2013 at 03:46 pm

There is no correlation between crime and Section 8. Like I said it's been studied ad nausem.

CP March 19, 2013 at 04:20 pm

I would like to see the data. Funny how you always see flashing lights /cops in and around low income and section 8.

CP March 19, 2013 at 04:25 pm

I can name countless neighborhoods that were mostly crime free until housing vouchers moved in.

Steve March 19, 2013 at 04:40 pm

You don't know whether they are using housing vouchers or not. They could just be low rent slumlord owned houses.

Buck Harmon March 19, 2013 at 05:29 pm

Oops..you did it again 1ke...very slow learner...find a mirror, look into it and rehearse the point that you are attempting to make...if you look like an ass while attempting this exercise I would not recommend that you put the post out there..
Clearly understood why you have no choice but to use a fake name ...

Chris W March 19, 2013 at 09:38 pm

You have got to be kidding me.
When I lived in the Annapolis area and read the Capital, you learned your way around public housing by reading the police beat. Obery court, Clay Street, Preident street. The list went on and on. You sir are not interested in the truth, you are too blinded by ideology.

Steve March 19, 2013 at 09:44 pm

The subject has been researched in numerous studies. There is no correlation. All you offer is anecdotal evidence, nothing more.

Steve March 19, 2013 at 09:48 pm

LOL The Urban Institue doesn't get funding from George Soros.

Steve March 19, 2013 at 09:53 pm

LOL "The USDA own stats show 3.5-4.0% of recipients of the SNAP program are illegals"
Thats not even remotely true. Undocumented immigrants can not receive SNAP benefits. http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/rules/Memo/2011/082011.pdf

FIFA March 19, 2013 at 09:57 pm

What I love are the looney tunes that believe income tax is illegal. These morons who believe that you don't have to pay income taxes. Anybody that believes in that believes the moon is made of cheese. What do you think buck? You violated Bryan's reprimand to you but you fail to learn, that is not very smart.

1ke March 19, 2013 at 10:16 pm

Stick with your boy Schuub, Bucky.

Chris W March 19, 2013 at 11:24 pm

Ok Steve,
http://spotcrime.com/md/annapolis Run just shootings for the past year. All in and around low income housing. But yeah, it's all just bunk. No correlation. Yeah right! You are not entitled to your own facts. sorry.

Penelope Patch March 20, 2013 at 12:30 am

Keep in mind folks that a certain portion of the folks receiving housing vouchers are older, elderly individuals on a very limited income as well as individuals with disabilities who are trying to live as independently as possible. Not all people on section 8 are bad, mean irresponsible people.

Penelope Patch March 20, 2013 at 12:32 am

Where has all of the intelligence gone?

Merlinthesocialjusticewizard March 20, 2013 at 12:01 pm

The intelligence disappears with the appearance of operatives with a set agenda posting under numerous ids. They will post until the sun goes down any and all things that belie common sense. For example, the police chief of Towson stated in the Towson Times papers that petty crime has remained relatively stable but it is the violent crime that has increased dramatically in Towson. When did that happen? It was the advent of thousands of section 8 housing units. Once again it is common sense versus propaganda. Anyone living in Towson for the past 5 to 10 years has seen violent crime increase exponentially. 5 years ago we were all not reading articles about violent criminals being apprehended at our beautiful library or on the campus of gbmc hospital. Now that is happening on a regular basis. As for as studies are concerned, questions are validity and sponsorship. I would guess that many patchers here do not know this if they are not in a science or research field, but in the 1960's the American Medical Association published a paper stating that anabolic steroids neither improved muscle mass nor athletic performance. Meanwhile, athletes worldwide laughed their asses off based on what alter ego calls "anectdotal" evidence to be dismissed. I would say that in some cases common sense trumps biased studies. Ever notice classaction suits involving drugs on the market? At some point in time all had to submit research data determining that the drug was not harmful to humans.

Merlinthesocialjusticewizard March 20, 2013 at 12:06 pm

It does at some point reach a point of ridiculousness which becomes boring. For example, alter ego the operative disputes the 3.5 to 4.0 percent figure, yet it was the figure given by the USDA to senator Jeff Sessions concerning the USDA's involvement in the snap program. But then again, this is the same person that was incredulous about abuse in the program even though several states have passed and are in the process of passing legislation to prevent such fraud. News outlets are running stories about drug dealers and criminals driving luxury vehicles pulling into stores and dropping anywhere from 3k to 7k on their ebt cards. Now common sense tells you that if they can hold on to those benefits to rollover to that degree then they do not need nor should qualify for such benefits. A telling narrative that I will leave the "citizens" of Towson with is that when whistleblowers working at these stores broke the stories, they were treated the same way as patchers here when they post opinions contradictory to those of 1ke, aka Steve, aka FIFA, aka others.

1ke March 20, 2013 at 12:36 pm

You ignore a mass of facts concerning the ongoing urbanization of Towson: growth of retail infrastructure, growth of the entertainment sector, development of mass transit options and residential development. Certainly, these have been in place for more than ten years, but they mature over time. That people and property in Towson are exposed to a revolving set of strangers moving in and out of the area is clear. Correlations with Section 8 housing are not clear.
Why don't you blame "job creators" for messing up this little bit of bourgeois heaven?

Steve March 20, 2013 at 02:00 pm

"News outlets are running stories about drug dealers and criminals driving luxury vehicles pulling into stores and dropping anywhere from 3k to 7k on their ebt cards."
You just love to keep repeating the Urban Legends don't you?

Merlinthesocialjusticewizard March 20, 2013 at 02:18 pm

Well well, if it isn't steve and 1ke, or should I just refer to the same person that is at the keyboard? You just love to keep repeating liberal mantra don't you? The welfare chief of Massachussets was fired because of ebt fraud involving those ineligible to receive benefits and the failure to track recipients already receiving benefits. Multiple states have now passed legislation to deal with this issue, and in the state of Texas and New York store owners have gone to the media over people racking up thousands of dollars of their products at one time, with the ones in Texas documenting the luxury vehicles. Gee alter ego, do you think the readers of patch or citizens of Towson are too lazy to do a simple search using the keywords ebt fraud and find out what I am talking about? Or maybe they are not here because of their job and income dependent on a political party. You are right about one thing, the transportation choices brought to Towson have indeed made the neighborhood worse off as far as crime is concerned. And once again you post ridiculous untruths. Why don't you tell those reading Patch about the ACLU lawsuit that took place which opened the door for these section 8 residents to be placed in middle and upper class communities which directly refutes your assertion that it was "capitalism" or businesses that were the reason they were brought in.

Steve March 20, 2013 at 02:22 pm

No, I think you are too lazy to give us a link.
Maybe you ought to read the latest study which was recently released which tracked the MTO participants for a lengthy period of time. Most of them have moved back to their original neighborhoods.

Merlinthesocialjusticewizard March 20, 2013 at 02:32 pm

For those that are actually concerned with facts, the lawsuit I am referring to is Thompson vs HUD, and in the resulting settlement Baltimore city and region residents were given the ability to choose mixed income neighborhoods to settle in. It was not business leaders, nor urbanization as 1ke would like you to falsely believe. One little caveat that also blows 1ke/Steve/FIFA and his other identities out of the water is that the settlement targeted neighborhoods that were SAFER than the original homes for settlement. In other words, Towson was recognized for its safety and low crime which met requirements of the lawsuit settlement. Now, it is obvious that the terms low crime and safety do not fit the description after receiving so many section 8 residents. Maybe next 1ke will tell you that the level of violent crime is because the Orioles have not yet or maybe will not ever agree to move their schedule for the Ravens home opener.

Merlinthesocialjusticewizard March 20, 2013 at 03:00 pm

I wonder how that above post fits the purposefully wrong description of blaming "job creators" that he/alter ego previously posted. Maybe we should blame those responsible, such as the ACLU for the ruining of our neighborhoods.

Steve March 20, 2013 at 03:05 pm

You don't know what you are talking about Lizard. Towson didn't meet the criteria of any of the MTO program. Families couldn't move there.
The neighborhoods were the MTO recipients were relocated were heading way downhill long before they got there.

Merlinthesocialjusticewizard March 20, 2013 at 03:11 pm

Let us look at a very easy example to follow. Rodgers Forge was considered an exclusive housing community not only because of rental cost but of safety and low crime. Enter section 8 housing. Immediately a resident that did not have to lock down their vehicle in the past had property stolen from that vehicle. After word got round to other residents that things had changed people were careful of leaving anything open. Next, the storage area where residents now locked up these posessions was broken into and their property stolen once again. Now, Rodgers Forge has a security presence. Was it urbanization? Residents going in and out? New development to the area? Nah, it was the ramifications of social justice. Innocent taxpayers were subjected to crime because of section 8 housing and civil liberties lawsuits. What about the civil liberties of those Towson residents?

Steve March 20, 2013 at 03:57 pm

There is no Section 8 housing in Rodgers Forge. It doesn't meet HUD's criteria.

Moi March 20, 2013 at 04:53 pm

See ya'!

1ke March 20, 2013 at 05:41 pm

Your high standard for medical research (i.e. the AMA steroid stance of the mid-60's) does not influence your standards for policy research in the least. Your view of the influence of Section 8 housing on neighborhoods should appear in a peer-reviewed context. All you would need is a few footnotes. Maybe you could run for Dan Bongino's seat.

Merlinthesocialjusticewizard March 20, 2013 at 07:12 pm

My views of section 8 housing are based on observations. For example, it was not until violent crime and aberrant behavior started to rise in Towson that I sought an answer for why it was happening. That was after noticing people sleeping next to the Burger King that was razed, next to the library, and using spotcrime and the news to examine the uptake in crime. Much to my shock, not really, I went to a website that listed Section 8 rentals in Towson. At that time there were 1,159 units and the prices went as high as 2000 dollars per month for 5 br houses. There is a house for rent now for 1695. There is also good research on property values for those adjacent to section 8 housing, and the results of such housing. Unlike yourself, I am someone that cares about walking in my neighborhood with my partner without worrying about the crime that has come from this housing boondoggle. But then again considering that you are an operative given talking points it was no surprise that you at first denied section 8 housing was even in Towson and that it took lawsuits to achieve such things.

1ke March 20, 2013 at 07:38 pm

Welcome to America. I have never felt comfortable walking on a street in my life. Never. Not ever.
When the divide between haves and have-nots is so broad and bridging it so unthinkable, unimaginable, this is what you get. Enjoy living like the rest of us. Stay alert. I am done on this thread, Wiz.