Same-sex Marriage Approval in House Appears Likely

House Minority Leader Anthony O'Donnell says proponents have the votes needed for passage later this afternoon.

The Maryland House of Delegates appears poised to pass same-sex marriage legislation when it meets late Friday afternoon.

"(Proponents) have secured the final vote," said Del. Anthony O'Donnell, the House minority leader.

Del. Tiffany Alston, a Prince George's County Democrat who previously opposed the bill and voted against it in committee, emerged from House Speaker Michael E. Busch's office and later offered a two-part amendment.

The first part prevents the law from going into effect if there is pending court litigation. A second part of the amendment would require judges to strike down the entire law should any part of it be illegal.

"(Alston's) vote was contingent on the passing of that amendment," said O'Donnell.

Following the nearly two hours of debate, Alston was escorted into the speaker's office and away from reporters.

The House is scheduled to return for a final vote Friday at 4:30 p.m.

O'Donnell, during the debate, objected to the rush to a final vote.

"We should not use brute force strength on such a weighty issue," said O'Donnell.

RightWay2012 February 18, 2012 at 12:05 AM
The point is, "St John's" (at least I am not hiding behind a fake name), where does the slippery slope of immorality end? It is not a cliff, but what about the next generation? Will they then argue for polygamy? Will the acceptable age for marriage be reduced back to 12 years old (yes it was at in our history)?
Buck Harmon February 18, 2012 at 12:06 AM
You need to become a Methodist Carl....anything goes...whatever method works..
Paul Amirault February 18, 2012 at 12:06 AM
JF, what is a man who molests/rapes a female child?
Paul Amirault February 18, 2012 at 12:07 AM
Oh, I understand now, he is teaching them about proper sex.
Paul Amirault February 18, 2012 at 12:12 AM
Look at his profile, he is well exposed. Pic and address and name.
Park Won-soon February 18, 2012 at 12:13 AM
There were no homosexuals in South Korea until the 1990s. Then some Korean-Americans came back and started spreading the disease. Its disgusting how the American left tries to destroy traditional values in other countries. South Korea shouldn't have to deal with the HIV epidemic caused by homosexuals.
Paul Amirault February 18, 2012 at 12:14 AM
Yea, Buck, you da man!
Pat February 18, 2012 at 12:17 AM
Here's a question for all those opposed to " big government" : How is it acceptable for the government to tell my church community who we may or may not unite in holy matrimony? Every church should have the ability to abide by the tenets of their individual faith with out government interference. No one is asking heterosexual people to give up their beliefs. But some how it is acceptable to ask homosexual people to give up theirs. It is hypocrisy pure and simple- and I do believe that the Lord Jesus had plenty to say about hypocrisy.
Paul Amirault February 18, 2012 at 12:29 AM
They were in the closet. You just didn't see them.
RightWay2012 February 18, 2012 at 03:56 AM
Yes, Paul. Unlike the liberal left, I do not hid behind false names, because I do not mean any harm to anyone, or wish to threaten anyone. I suppose I should hide behind a fake name to protect myself and my family from those that wish me harm, just because of my beliefs. I should know that free speech to the left only applies to those that agree with their position. Else, they mean to destroy and harm you.
Paul Amirault February 18, 2012 at 04:18 AM
Carl, it appears you made an accusation regarding "St. John's" which appears to be false. I use my name and disclose other facts as well. Stating that the liberal left hides is bogus. Fake names are used here frequently. Would be an interesting stat which are used by more?
RightWay2012 February 18, 2012 at 04:25 AM
I do not believe I called out "St. John's" specifically in my last post. You are applying an accusation to me that is without foundation. If you, or St. John, fit my description, then it is on your conscience, not my direct, named accusation.
franking February 18, 2012 at 05:05 AM
St.John's Ep Church said, "Let me leave you with a real, honest, hard, cold fact: NAMBLA is an organization that is roundly condemned by most, if not all LGBT organizations. In fact, it is condemned by most LGBT people I know." That's just weird. Everyone I know condemns them. We're likely going to divorce when it passes. We married before we had our kids to do the right thing, but we want to join the party and suck financial benefits meant for others. May as well get that single mama money until they're 18.
Tim February 18, 2012 at 06:19 AM
Darwin would disagree.
franking February 18, 2012 at 07:49 AM
Your church already can. They can marry who ever they want, and the state can recognize which ever ones they want as being legal. The church can also choose not to marry people who are eligible for state recognized marriage. Are you saying the church should be able to demand that the state recognize any marriage the church deems a marriage? If so, the fundamentalist Mormons can legally marry several wives.
soneil February 18, 2012 at 01:22 PM
There is so much ignorance on this thread it is astounding. And all I see is fear and insecurity. Firstly, be aware that gay people have been building lives together including homes and families for DECADES. The only thing legislation is doing is recognising what is ALREADY HAPPENING in society; you can’t actually oppose something that is already in existence. Opposing same sex marriage isn’t going to put a stop to gay people. Homosexuality is nothing new; homosexual people have walked the earth as long as anyone else, we have always been here, we will always be here and no amount of religious hatred and perpetuated ignorance is EVER going to stop the occurrence of homosexuality throughout all of nature. Heterosexuals give birth to homosexuals, homosexuals – who are completely capable of biological reproduction and continuing the species on their own – give birth to heterosexuals, and on and on and on and on. The idea that enslaving a group of people in so-called modern society is somehow going to put an end to their existence is absolutely ridiculous.
soneil February 18, 2012 at 01:23 PM
As a gay man, my sexual behaviour doesn’t feel deviant to me at all; I understand the nature of human sexuality, know and accept its fluidity as an assertion and expression of a person’s identity. I don’t attach ridiculous notions of guilt and shame to sexuality, I understand it exists with a number of utilities, all of which are important to my functioning as a human being with a larger functionality to the species as a whole. I don’t need to attach something mystical to my motivations or feel that some almighty mysterious being is bearing witness to my every act and passing judgement (whom, for all their supposed mystery, a lot of people seem to think they know a lot about and have no difficulty assuming their god-like mindset; the notion of god seems pretty mundane when listening to you people, there doesn’t seem to be anything awe-inspiring at all about some narrow-minded, ignorant mindset that can’t even acknowledge the life that exists all around them much less the heart and soul that exists within them).
soneil February 18, 2012 at 01:24 PM
Given the world’s population is currently nearing 7 billion people, not all of whom even subscribe to the notion of a christian deity, it seems pretty ridiculous that any entity would have the interest much less the capacity to follow the lives of what basically amounts to an ant farm in the context of the universe at large, much less pass judgement on them. There might be other ways to interpret religious teachings but taking the writings of a primitive, pre-enlightened people literally seems pretty ridiculous and a hiding to absolutely nothing. I’m sure the people who lived in biblical times, given their obvious thirst for actual knowledge, would gladly consume what we know to be true about the world today and our existence in it than settle for than rather mundane and now unconvincing imaginings of their time.
soneil February 18, 2012 at 01:24 PM
In regards to all this ignorance about paedophilia: what better way to demonise a group of people than state that they are harming children? Wasn’t it one of the core beliefs of anti-Semitism in medieval Europe that Jewish people actually murdered and ate children, a scurrilous attack that plagued their existence for decades and perpetuated a hatred that no doubt allowed the holocaust to happen (one of two holocausts in the 20th C that included gay people though few acknowledge that). And we see the same thing here with all this rampant homophobia, the fear of gay people. “They harm children. Case closed.” And what’s interesting is that the people who adopt these homophobic attitudes are the ones that are actually causing harm to children by providing cover for the real perpetrators of such abuse. Some 86% of child sex abuse cases, in North America and Europe alone, are committed against GIRLS. At least another 4% of reported cases are committed by WOMEN AGAINST BOYS. And 82% of all cases are committed by perpetrators who are KNOWN TO THEIR VICTIMS.
soneil February 18, 2012 at 01:25 PM
Pretending that homosexuals alone are the sole perpetrators of child sex abuse in society just gives cover to those who are really committing these offenses – again, largely against girls and, one assumes, by men who identify as heterosexual. What a surprise then that institutions largely run by straight men have so much invested in perpetuating the myth that all child sex abusers are homosexual. Wonders never cease. People who conflate one small mention in a chapter about temple law that contextualises the sale of sexual favours between men in the temple – amongst some other 180,000 words in the bible – and in a chapter that includes an advocacy of human slavery and other such nonsense as sacrificing animals, etc., to mean that an entire group of people should be demonised, hated and treated as sub-human for all eternity are, frankly, just ignorant. They are plainly ignorant of the entire contents of bible itself, especially in proportion to other more emphatically stated tenets having specifically to do with marriage like the bible’s complete and unequivocal rejection of DIVORCE and they are most certainly guilty of cherry picking. People who hide behind the bible to defend their feelings of hatred and insecurity are particularly ignorant, pathetic and sad and, I would say, contribute very little to society. Your brain is capable of so much more and there is so much knowledge that is actually known to us as human beings.
soneil February 18, 2012 at 01:25 PM
Most of what you think you know about religion and the bible is just hand-me-down prejudice that you’ve mistakenly taken as fact; it is not factual about human nature and it’s not even factual about the contents of the bible. It’s just prejudice and hatred that you’ve been told and its existence in society has been recognised by institutions and corporations like the GOP or the catholic corporation as a means to further their own power over you. In more plain words, you’re just a tool when in fact you’re capable of so much more.
soneil February 18, 2012 at 01:27 PM
So what is this really about other than the imagined superiority of the hetero-normative mindset? You don't want homosexuals to live openly? Well, they already do. But you still want to somehow restrict their rights - take from them, all that they have to offer society, the intelligence, creativity, the skills and hard work, the capital, they put into your lives but offer them something less than what you have in return? How much longer is the history of gay people and the extraordinary things we've contributed to the world going to go unacknowledged and be dismissed or appropriated by heterosexuals? How much longer are gay people going to be cruelly limited and defined as "sexual deviants" and "perverts" and made to carry the blame for crimes committed largely by the heterosexual community, and made to bear the weight of all of your fear so that you can sleep better at night?
RightWay2012 February 18, 2012 at 02:03 PM
Hey, the GOP has it wrong. Conservatives should fully support homosexuality and abortions. That way, in two generations, there will be no more liberals.
Amy Sens February 18, 2012 at 02:49 PM
Oh JesusFreak. You're right, I don't attend a "Bible-believing" church. But I do love the Bible and I take it seriously in the church that I lead.
Amy Sens February 18, 2012 at 02:52 PM
Or maybe her marriage already is a mercy from God.
Karl Schuub February 18, 2012 at 02:55 PM
NAMBLA had a delegation at the Gay Pride parade in SF not so very long ago.
St. John's Episcopal Church February 19, 2012 at 03:12 AM
Just to clarify: most pedophiles are heterosexual, including those that molest boys. It is never ok to be a pedophile, that is not what is at issue here. What is at issue here is the right of one adult to marry another adult. -admin
Gburgatheist February 19, 2012 at 03:22 AM
St. Johns Ep. Church gives me some hope that all religious folk are not totally crazy whackaloons believing whatever was written in a Bronze Age text about a man who may or may not have existed. I appreciate the effort of St. Johns for speaking up to a sector of the population that has been denigrated and denied basic equal rights for so long. However, some of the other posts make me think the other way. Yo, religious people, you have a long way to go to be cool to each other.
franking February 19, 2012 at 07:04 AM
My reasons for not being in support of gay marriage are completely secular. I don't want to pay for it. State recognized marriage was put into place for the protection of kids and women having kids and dependent on men. Two men or two women are equally able to earn their own pensions, SS, etc. Talk about a tax break for the rich! I'm fine with people living as they want. But get your hands out of my pockets.
Carol February 26, 2012 at 10:01 PM
Right on RightWay2012.


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