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On the article 'Kind and Calm' Pit Bull Needs a Loving Home
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On the article 'Kind and Calm' Pit Bull Needs a Loving Home
HOBO87
4:46 pm on Sunday, May 5, 2013
ReplyDon, you're ignoring the facts I gave you and giving a ridiculous counter example. The dog being offered here is a spayed female. Spayed female dogs, of almost any breed or category, certainly including dogs people call 'pit bulls', virtually never attack people. And there are millions of them.
I think we have to now reclass you Don from ignorant to stupid.
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On the article 'Kind and Calm' Pit Bull Needs a Loving Home
HOBO87
9:55 pm on Saturday, May 4, 2013
ReplyIgnorant comment Don.. Tiny little dog have more trouble seriously injuring people if they want to (though they still can and do sometimes) but the odds of a spayed female pit, who has shown a docile temperament, changing and hurting somebody, is way less than that of the typical unaltered male dog of any big breed: up to 90% of the dogs which seriously injure people are unaltered males, that's the strongest thread connecting vicious dogs, not breed or category ('pit bull' is a vague category not a breed), though not neutering dogs is partly a proxy for generally anti-social dog owning practices..Lone spayed female dogs are almost never involved in human aggression incidents. Advising people not to adopt a docile spayed female dog of a strong breed because it could hurt someone if it bit would be about the same as advising them not to fly commercial airliners because they go fast and you die if they hit the ground: could happen, but *very* remote possibility. And your last statement reeks of unthinking prejudice. Dogs don't choose their owners. Our adopted female pit's previous owners were not nice people, you can tell by how they roughly cut off her ears completely. But that was them, not her. She's exactly as this dog is described: a kind and calm girl who's gone through a lot in life. The odds are overwhelming that whoever steps up and adopts this girl, and treats like she deserves to be treated, will be blessed by her presence in their home, just as we are by our dog.
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On the article OPINION: Pit Bull Breeds Unfairly Shoulder Blame for Attacks
HOBO87
3:14 pm on Wednesday, May 1, 2013
No, Roast you are obviously not at all learned, I guess the fact you admit it is at least something. Problem is though, the efficacy of BSL as a public policy rests directly on a scientific hypothesis, which is that the dangerous dog problem is inherent to a 'breed' or type of dogs. If you can't make that argument in a learned or scientific way, or point to scientific organizations which agree with the hypothethis, there's no reason for anyone to listen to your opinion on BSL, and that you consider your own opinion to be 'truth' is quite irrelevant. And that's the main point of that article that neither you nor the other usual BSL trolls, here or on other threads, has addressed. If BSL is such a good idea why does virtually nobody in mainstream veterinary science support it? And don't make more of a fool of yourself cooking up conspiracy theories about how science is 'bought off' by the 'dog industry'. That's one step away from homeless guys howling at the moon. No rational person is going to come over to your POV based on arguments like that.
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On the article OPINION: Pit Bull Breeds Unfairly Shoulder Blame for Attacks
HOBO87
6:00 pm on Tuesday, April 30, 2013
That is pretty ironic, somebody who owns a Chow and a Husky, two breeds *way* more likely, dog for dog, to be human aggressive to get on the anti 'pit bull' bandwagon. That's just embarrassingly ridiculous. However BSL is a stupid idea whether it would be aimed at 'pit bulls' or even real breeds (which 'pit bull' isn't) like Husky or Chows. BSL is just stupid public policy, in concept.
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On the article OPINION: Pit Bull Breeds Unfairly Shoulder Blame for Attacks
HOBO87
5:53 pm on Tuesday, April 30, 2013
Thomas's super spam? Quantity doesn't equal quality. And the key issue isn't dueling statistics (any stats which don't correct for the different types of owners who might own particular types of dogs, is meaningless in proving anything inherent to the dogs), it's the fact that virtually all mainstream veterinary science rejects BSL. That's simply a fact usefully summarized by the article, not made up by anybody, and isn't refuted by mega-spam by pro-BSL obsessives like Thomas randomly quoting individuals. The only answer the pro-BSL'ers seem to have for the virtual total rejection of the scientific community for their pet idea is to make up conspiracy theories of the scientific community being 'bought off', or just changing the subject.
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On the article OPINION: Pit Bull Breeds Unfairly Shoulder Blame for Attacks
HOBO87
4:06 pm on Tuesday, April 30, 2013
"The "organizations" D’Ambrosio lists supporting pit bulls are part of the multi-billion-dollar dog industry and have ulterior motives for their stance on pit bulls"
Right on cue, tinfoil hat stuff about the whole of mainstream science having money motives. So what organizations, or 'organizations' with any scientific credentials do support BSL? It's a shame the whole of science is 'bought off' by the 'multibillion dog industry' to lie about this. But good thing we have people like you and 'Debbie Bell' and 'Thomas McCartney' (I'm still wondering, where 'Jaloney Caldwell' and 'Lucy Muir' are) to set us straight with your scientific expertise.
And BTW 'Roast', last time I saw your posts, I believe on a New Orleans Picayune thread, you were explaining how 'pit bulls' were 'invariably owned by ghetto rats, Mexicans and trailer trash'. That sounded like such a dispassionate and learned scientific approach to the issue, so unlike those scientific 'organizations' bought off by the 'dog industry', wonder if you'd explain it further here.
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On the article OPINION: Pit Bull Breeds Unfairly Shoulder Blame for Attacks
HOBO87
12:57 pm on Tuesday, April 30, 2013
ReplyThe eccentric trolls are out in force. Super-multi-spamming by 'Thomas McCartney', 'Dennis Baker' and 'Debbie Bell' cutting and pasting their finest works from the countless other threads where they spew the same crap. If only 'Jaloney Caldwell' and 'Lucy Muir' would come by the whole gang would be here! But, with no refutation whatsoever of the most important point in the article: all mainstream veterinary science organizations reject BSL. I know the tinfoil hatters will say this is because 'wealthy dog fighters' bribed all these organizations, but for non-eccentrics that argument doesn't go too far.
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On the article OPINION: Pit Bull Breeds Unfairly Shoulder Blame for Attacks
HOBO87
11:02 am on Tuesday, April 30, 2013
ReplyExcellent summary of the actual facts, a resource to keep and refer to, thanks. Just a few weeks ago a young lady's German Shepherd tried to attack me and my wife. She was barely in control of the dog and we were frightened. It would never occur to our dog to do that in a million years. There are only two types of human to her: her own humans, and new friends who might also become her humans. Many would call her a 'pit bull'. It's just one anecdote of course but still shows the insanity of BSL. Under BSL I and my town would be spending money fighting in court (and better bet I would if anyone tried to take her away) over whether a *totally* benign dog was a 'pit bull' (what's a 'pit bull'?), while the law would be saying to that young lady "you have a big strong dog with serious behavior problems? no worries, thank God it's not a 'pit bull'". Insane. And the social health of local communities is reflected in part by their attitudes toward BSL. Actually where I live BSL wouldn't have a snowball's chance. BSL seems consistently more popular in areas with more seething social discontent and paranoia generally. It often seems a way of acting out social and racial prejudices toward *people* also, much as the BSL activists try to say it's about 'science' (a ridiculous claim; as the article notes, virtually all of mainstream science rejects BSL).
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On the article 'Vicious' Pit Bull Tranquilized; Small Dog Bites Child
HOBO87
3:07 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013
ReplyThe article also mentions the key factor, dog an unaltered male. Almost 90% of serious dog attacks on people are by unaltered males. Yet most media reports of dog attacks focus so intently on the breed (as long as anyone involved has called the dog a 'pit bull', at least) they seldom include this key information.
And this town Gilroy, actually has a rational law according to the article: no non-neutered male dogs allowed, presumably a breed neutral law. If so, good law, much better than stupid BSL's which lead animal control and police on wild goose chases after selectively, ignorantly, hysterically chosen 'dangerous breeds' including lots of spayed/neutered dogs properly treated and handled by responsible owners who aren't a threat to anyone (no lone spay/neutered dog reported to be a 'pit bull' has *ever* been recorded to have killed anyone and it's very rare for them to be involved in human aggression incidents). But as the incident shows, it's one thing to have a sensible law, another to enforce it before someone gets hurt by a law breaker. But at least the law can be used against the irresponsible owner after the biting incident.
HOBO87
5:28 pm on Monday, May 6, 2013
If ignorance is bliss, Don is a just a pig in sh*t. Pit hating often seems to come around to opinions about black people from marginal lower middle class type white people, who of course always protest loudly 'I'm not a racist', why am I not surprised ol' Don is no exception. I've never encountered a pit hater who was a real success in their own life, always hung up about proving they are one half rung above the bottom of the socio-economic ladder, and see bashing 'pit bulls' and their owners as a way to do that.
And Don, despite your insistent ignorance, the people who own 'pit bulls' which hurt people do not say the dogs are harmless *before* they hurt somebody. They say so *afterwards*, that they didn't know, to cover their asses. And virtually all those dogs are unaltered, overwhelmingly males, usually chained up outside (great way to make a dog aggressive), etc. OTOH the chance of a temperament screened female dog later turning aggressive to people is essentially zero. And that's the type of dog offered above.